Title: RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

If we are talking IE: Isn’t the problem is that Microsoft is going to integrate its next version of IE directly into its operating system, which maybe an issue unto itself?  Right or wrong they don’t want to spend the money to patch or upgrade the current browser.  Longhorn (the name of the next operating system) keeps getting postponed. 

 

In the meantime, I think as a web developer, one designs for the browser their users use.   It would take a special interest group, maybe one for some disability, to publicize that using IE is inaccessible to them, and since IE is fairly accessible to most groups, I don’t see that happening.

 

Nancy Johnson

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Mason
Sent:
Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their ac t

 

Hi,
I'd be happiest if an IE7.x came that was completely standards compliant and auto updated itself (without a facility to disable this) and if MS wanted to add any exclusive extras then they did, but that everything else rendered exactly as the technology creators intended. They get their extra stuff to try and win extra users with, and developers who choose not to use those features still have their pages rendered properly and if they do, those features didn't affect the "non IE excluisve" components.

Hope that made sense :/

Jamie Mason: Design
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gleitzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 June 2004 16:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

 

On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 01:41  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If we are going to make sites that only work in certain browsers why
> not just
> code to IE's standards and not bother with the obscure browsers like
> firefox
> and  opera.  That way we don't need standards at all!  I can have my
> marquee
> tag back and my ActiveX controls - Ill be able to do all kinds of
> great things.
>  After all nearly everyone uses IE...
>
> Seriously though,  If you are going to take this hardline attitude by
> purposefully excluding users of certain browsers then you may as well
> do what I was saying above.  Don't loose site of the objective - with
> standards we are
> trying to let more browsers work with our sites not less.  Don't get
> too bitter
> about IE people it's not good for your health.

No, no - I'm not suggesting for a second we should *only* develop for
IE, or any other certain browsers! Just the opposite - I make a point
of delivering my clients' message to the maximum number of visitors.
And I'm not bitter; just realistic. That's why I say 'IE is here to
stay'. Thanks to the many gurus around, we have a whole menu of hacks
available so we *can* deliver Standards-driven sites to non-compliant
browsers.

I just think we have to keep an eye on the past, even as we move
forward. Someone said in a recent post on another thread, 'IE/Mac is no
longer being developed, so it's a dead duck.' Huh? Did all the IE/Mac
users just stop, there and then, when that news was announced? No - and
that's why I'll keep hacking for, and testing in, the widest possible
range of browsers I can. I owe it to my clients.

100% compliant browsers. Write once, publish anywhere. It's the dream
of Standards, right? I'm all for it; I'll do my bit, and more. But it's
not the real world - not yet.

Nick
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