On Jan 3, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Lea de Groot wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote:Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 and Safari 1.1 were released, so I may not have paid attention to any FOUC going on in releases before that.
Hmmm, interesting - I'm running Panther, so I'm not running an early version - 1.2.4 (v125.12) Anyone else running Safari seeing this? (I had assumed it was a general problem, not just me!)
Yes, I mentioned seeing it in my post a few days ago...
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg12581.html
Regarding the documents at:
http://itgtradingcards.bivia.com
I tested that some more and found that I could not reproduce it at will, nor did the FOUC solutions for IE work. Clearing the cache before viewing the page always *prevented* the FOUC (I though it would do the opposite), but it seemed to happen more when developing (downloading fresh stuff) than when viewing (seeing cached stuff). It never happened on my live server (so the above link won't show it), and occasionally happened on my development server, even though a traffic analysis shows they deliver nearly identical headers (the versions of PHP and Apache are slightly off) and content for all documents. I use a link tag to call a css doc with @import commands in it; the styles that are not there during the FOUC are in the imported sheets.
Possible causes I haven't fully tracked down:
-> maybe caused when the HTML is cached but the CSS is new (I have tested by touching the css doc to change the last-modified date, but it did not cause the FOUC)
-> the development server is on the same computer as Safari; therefore the HTML may be delivered incredibly fast, or the resources Safari was using to render the HTML slowed the delivery of the CSS, or something like that.
-> I haven't tested whether this is due to the @import stuff
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