This example can help you to decide what is better to use between frames and "fake-frames" made with css instead: http://soiland.no/frames_with_css/ And this one explains why really is better to avoid frames: http://karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2
I obviously agree with the author of the article especially because you can achieve exactly the same usability qualities of frame with css...so why don't go standard :) And I don't think it's a problem of browser support but much more about accessibility... Gianfranco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of designer Sent: 24 March 2005 13:07 To: webstandards group Subject: [WSG] you've been framed! Good Day Ladies and Gentlemen, Let me get it off my chest - I use frames sometimes! As far as I'm concerned, when you have a great long scrolling list (for example) and you want (need) to keep the nav stuff stationary, frames represent the ONLY way to do it. [posn-fixed] doesn't work in IE, nor is it likely to from what we've heard. I do not subscribe to the short-sighted view that you hear so often: "It's IE that's wrong, not the standards, so I'm going to stick to the standards". Fine if you want to lose 96% of your visitors, but I don't. . . So, I use frames. OK, I know about the pitfalls, but the bookmarking thing is easy to get over - just add 2 short lines of javascript from www.CodeLifter.com : if (parent.location.href == self.location.href){ window.location.href = 'whateverframeset.html' } However, what I want to know is, which browsers don't support frames? I know Lynx is a text-only browser, but no-one in their right mind is going to look at a web gallery of images (e.g.) in a text-only browser. So which others don't support frames? And should I be bothered? (This is a serious question, asked in the hope of getting an informed answer - not a rant :-) Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ****************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************
