Now, so that this email isn't a total OT waste of time, a giggle...
Take a look at what http://www.content.com.au/ claim to do as a
business and
then look at the source code of the pages. Not one line of text to be
seen!
Not even a descriptive page title or any metadata whatsoever. I love
it!
No comments on this please, it isn't worth discussing. We can just feel
superior in our collective wisdom.
P
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of csslist
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:20 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Visual Studio/.net general question
Well no, what you say now isnt wrong but what you said before
certainly was.
Before you basically implied the cfm created bad markup and now you
say it's
the developer which is what it should be.
" I think you will find that coldfusion makes life harder in respect
to web
standards compliance"
Thats not true at all, not even close.
But I totally agree that it's all in how the developer does that makes
it go
:)
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From: "wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:11 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Visual Studio/.net general question
Errrrr,
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat??????????????????????????????????????
If you use the controls provided by MS (validation controls etc), then
yes,
the code is junk. But who in their right mind uses those anyway? Who
has
ever used those? That aside, how else does .NET mangle code? I am
sorry but
that was not a good reply. I have built sites in XHTML STRICT/CSS that
uses
.NET code behind and VALIDATES 100%. If you are in the habit of
dragging and
dropping your websites into existence then no, it won’t validate, but
then I
suspect it won’t validate in any language.
At the end of the day it is down to the developer, their lack of
knowledge
and sloppy coding which makes a language produce sloppy code.
Explain to me how that is wrong.
W
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Behalf Of csslist
Sent: 23 July 2005 18:27
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Visual Studio/.net general question
what?????????
thats a big load of BS!!!!!
what does using coldfusion have to do with mangling your code?
if you do a simple google search you will find out the what mangles
code and
makes it a lot more work to unmangle is .net and vs, which is what u'd
expect when you let m$ write any of your code for you (look at
frontpage
code and decide if you want m$ to write your code).
coldfusion actually makes it much easier to control your layout code
because
of its tag based syntax and ease of use porting it into your pages.
Sorry wayne but that wasnt a good answer ;)
most of the server sides are good with compliance except .net, which
you
obviously can get to work but it requires much more time to "unmangle"
what
ms gives you which shouldnt be a suprise to anyone!!!
"The code I have seen being churned out looks
like it has gone through a mangler with huge chunks of white space
etc. "
then you are comparing what you yourseld do to someone using cfm that
doesnt
know how to do it correctly, those chucks of whitespace are obviously
when
cfm code is and a simple solution it to wrap code thats in the
presentaion
view with <cfsilent>cfm code</cfsilent> and that will take away the
whitespace.
"ASP.NET does not produce code that is capable of passing successful
validation in any of the SRTICT modes (see Eric Meyer's Picking a
<http://www.ericmeyeroncss.com/bonus/render-mode.html> Rendering Mode
and
W3C's List of valid DTDs you
<http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html> can use in your
document
for more information on DOCTYPEs). To enforce XHTML compliant code it
takes
some effort to implement automatic code cleaning (all right, fudging)."
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From: "wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:54 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Visual Studio/.net general question
I think you will find that coldfusion makes life harder in respect to
web standards compliance. The code I have seen being churned out looks
like it has gone through a mangler with huge chunks of white space etc.
In general though, I agree with James, the server side language should
not really hinder this, I am developing a couple of sites using ASP.NET
and the layout is pure CSS using XHTML strict. The IDE might have more
effect on this as some of them play around with your code, but that is
easily averted by not using design view and taking the time to
configure
them properly.
W
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn
Sent: 23 July 2005 11:39
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Visual Studio/.net general question
Recently i worked on a project that involved visual studio and the
whole
asp.net thing. I was reading on the maxdesign site that they only use
asp by
special request as it is not a "rapid development solution".
I guess my question is this-is cold fusion the proper way to build
dynamimc
sites with regards to web standards?
Forgive me if this is to ot.
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