----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny Graham
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space
Does anyone agree that we are abusing the use of CSS (square
pegs in round holes?) with the way we force it to do things that it
perhaps
was not really designed for?
Maybe to an extent, but not nearly as much as using tables for layout is
abusing tables. They were never meant to be used as layout, or even for
presentation. They were created for tabular data. At least in CSS, we're
abusing a presentational language for presentational purposes.
The web is a visual medium and we should be able to
design pages to look how we want, with the condition of making sure they
are
readable and suitable for those accessing them.
I disagree. The web is an information medium. The most common way to
access that information is through a graphical "web browser". A visual
medium used to "browse" the information made available on the web
(information medium). I rarely use a traditional, graphical web browser
anymore. I have my computer read my RSS feeds and email aloud to me while I
work and play games. I test pages I make in graphical browsers, and post
flamebait as anonymous coward on Slashdot. That's about it.
For those of you who use a background image, how do you get round the
problem of the columns changing size? I hope you are not using a fixed
width
layout (as many CSS column layouts do)! ;-)
*clicks my heels together three times and says "Column support in CSS3?
Column support in CSS3?"*
Final point I want to know is, in what way does a table (a simple 1 row 2
column table) actually cause any of the above problems you mention? How
does
it hinder someone from viewing it on a different device for example? How
is
it harder to update? I am not talking about multiple nested tables.
Accessibility isn't just for blind people. It's also for the most disabled
users of all: computers. Ever try to teach an HTML parsing script how to
tell the difference between a table of data and a layout table? If people
would just use semantic markup, it'd be as simple as "It's in a table
element? Must be tabular data. It's in a p element? Must be a paragraph."
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