Hi Patrick,

Interesting... I think you found a bug in Firefox. The IE approach seems to be 
correct. Content inside the <object> tag is an alternative to the <object> tag, 
not an addition to it. Using your example, in IE, the following construct will 
submit "abc" to the server:

<object name="abc" ...>
        <textarea name="def"></textarea>
</object>

In FF 1.5, both "abc" and "def" will be submitted to the server.

In an ideal scenario, you would want to have this construct:

<object name="abc" ...>
        <textarea name="abc"></textarea>
</object>

Patrick, this bug should be reported to Mozilla. If you are going to report it, 
can you please CC me on it in Bugzilla.

Regards,
-Vlad
http://xstandard.com


-------- Original Message --------
From: Patrick Lauke
Date: 9/20/2005 11:37 AM
> Possibly a bizarre question, but: currently working on integrating
> XStandard http://xstandard.com in a form, but trying to make it behave
> more reasonably when the plugin is not installed and when javascript is
> off.
> What I discovered is a fundamental difference between IE and Firefox
> (not
> tested other browsers at this stage). Assuming we have the simplified
> code
>
> <object>
>     <textarea></textarea>
> <object>
>
> If the plugin is not available, the textarea is used. Fine, no worries
> there. However, when the plugin IS available, IE seems to completely
> expunge the textarea from the DOM, while Firefox seems to remove it from
> the visual display, but still lets you manipulate it via javascript.
> (some may have gathered already, I was hoping to stuff the value of the
> plugin into the existing textarea's value property)
>
> A possibly academic question: which approach is right? Should the
> browser
> not make the fallback elements inside the object available?
>
> I'm coding around the issue, but I'd be curious what people think...
>
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