As one last comment I'd add that pop-ups and new window
targets are very different beasts. An accessible popup is almost but not quite
impossible, although always less desirable than a simple
target="_blank".
--
Paul A Noone
Webmaster, ASHM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross
Sent: Monday, 19 December 2005 12:27 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames ?
However, I still have a few questions...
Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames?
What is the advantage, other than being able to place the frame where I want?
I am thinking I will suggest that we just open the manufacturer's site in a new window and have that pop-up in a specific location that will allow the logo on the originating page to show on the top left of the screen. I know the user may not have their browser open to full screen and this involves pop-ups, which the user may turn off, but I feel more comfortable with that as opposed to frames. Comments?
For what it is worth, I agree with the comments here.
My design philosophy is really one in which I want to do the best job for my clients. To do this I feel I must adhere to Web Standards and style sheets. If I cannot dissuade the client from using frames, I really don't feel good about proceeding with this project (it's not a very lucrative one).
Appreciate your help very much.
Regards,
KR
On 12/17/05, Thierry
Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2005, at 6:46 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
>
>> Terrence Wood wrote:
>>> Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using
>>> _javascript_ instead of a static page?
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question.
>> Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame
>> other
>> web sites?
>>
>
> The OP asked if there is a web standards and CSS way to maintain his
> clients branding for remote sites, and while recognising that frames
> will achieve this wondered if there is an alternative.
> The thread has moved on to suggest alternatives to frames in their
> entirety given the usability issues of frames, and the ethical issues
> around framing content which owned by a third party. The alternatives
> revolve around some variation of linking to the site.
> You solution is (from my cursory look) a script driven frames
> implementation, as opposed to a static file based one, and I
> questioned it because it didn't seem to add anything at this point and
usually
> your contributions are both excellent and timely.
IMHO, the fact that this thread has moved on to suggest alternatives may
teach the OP something, but does not necessary answer his question. If his
client is dead on the idea, the OP will have no choice other than
imlplementing a frames solution.
<op>
..., [my client] wants the new web page to open up only in the contents area
and leave his header and menu intact.
Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Is
there a way to do this using Web Standards and CSS (my preference) ?
</op>
I read the above, then skimmed the thread and didn't see one post
mentionning the use of a dynamic frameset to avoid building a site with
frames. I thought my suggestion was a "variation of linking to the site", an
"alternative" that has not been discussed.
I'm sorry if this contribution was neither excellent nor timely ;)
Best regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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