"The change below worked for me.
.mainleft ul { margin-top: 0px;" thanks paul that simplifies it, also i always get stuck with these crazy navition schemes. The client signed of on this layout with different content then came back with loads more subcategory links then he had originally. Its almost overwhelming, i think that another level of navigation might be called for, that is- categories to sub categories with a location filter as well. I dont want to use drop downs. Anyone have anythoughts on this? example html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final6.htm css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css -best kvncwebn ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ****************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ****************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************