On 13/01/2008, at 3:51 PM, Peter Mount wrote:

Hi

I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that.

Is there a difference between Mac versions of browsers like Firefox and Safari or can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect my web sites to behave the same on the Mac?

Currently my main OS is Kubuntu but I'll soon be trialling Red Hat Desktop 5 Multi OS.

From my experience, Konqueror and Safari render pages identically. In addition, now that Safari is available on Windows; you could take a look at virtualisation which would allow you to run Windows from within your KDE/Qt environment (Check out VirtualBox).

Besides that, there is virtually no difference between browsers that are available on Windows, OS X and Linux. Essentially, each browser utilises a rendering engine of which there are four popular types. They are Trident (IE), Gecko (Mozilla, Firefox, Camino), KHTML/Webkit (Konqueror, Safari, Shiira) and Preseto (Opera). However, bugs sometime creep in to platform specific versions of these implementations.

On 14/01/2008, at 11:42 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Now fire up Safari and Camino side-by-side, and notice how both browsers display form elements the way that the user expects - nice and shiny, rounded blue - easy to tell apart from the occasional "You are infected" etc pop-ups with an image of a Windows button.

This is because the form elements come from the OS, not from the browser.

This has been the usual behaviour of KHTML/Webkit based browsers until recently.

I've noticed that in Safari 3.0 on OS X Leopard, it's possible to apply style attributes to form elements; specifically the submit input type.


With respect to form elements, I believe you will find that what the proper Mac browsers do is perfectly 'legal'. What is more, Windows users don't generally appreciate it when form elements are styled so strongly that they are no longer recognisable, which is why so many usability (and I don't mean accessibility) guru's advice is: don't do it.

Agreed, there's a great article on Berea 465 which clearly demonstrates the inconsistencies of styling form elements across various platforms. It can become confusing for users who are comfortable (and familiar) with their OS widgets.

You can find the article at the following URL: 
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/styling_form_controls_with_css_revisited/

Cheers,
Tate

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