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********************************************************************* WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST ********************************************************************* From: "Cook, Karen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:47:05 +1000 Subject: RE: WSG Digest Please unsubscribe me -----Original Message----- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 9:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG Digest ********************************************************************* WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: Lynette Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:20:34 +0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image Chris Pearce wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to > the current window size? I've done some research via Google and it > appears this can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe > some JavaScript? > > > Is this the sort of thing you mean: http://www.bluelightning.com.au/ The image reduces in size at smaller screen resolutions. Lyn WesternWeb Design Perth Western Australia ********************************************************************* From: "Matthew Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:56:29 +1200 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Chris Pearce < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the > current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this > can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > > Here's a CSS and HTML way of doing it for those browsers that understand position:fixed, http://holloway.co.nz/mefi/fullscreenbackground2/ For those browsers that don't you'd need to emulate it with JavaScript... window.onscroll to move the #background down the page with the scroll position. ************************************************************** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ************************************************************** Sensis. Helping you find, buy and sell. www.sensis.com.au - www.yellow.com.au - www.whitepages.com.au - www.citysearch.com.au - www.whereis.com.au - www.tradingpost.com.au Sensis cares for the environment - think before you print. 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The report to bugzilla was quickly actioned and is now finished - thanks to open source developers Marco Zehe, Alexander Surkov and Aaron Leventhal who have been working on a patch for the last 8 weeks. Currently, it is in the development releases of 3.1a1pre ... the next major update to Firefox is tentatively due in Q1/2009 and it is likely to be approved for full release as part of version 3.0.1 (all signs at this stage are promising, so fingers crossed) A log of the development activity is at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431615 Cheers, Sandra. Sandra Vassallo wrote: > Hi, > > I recently come across a problem in Firefox with screen readers (Jaws > and Window Eyes) when using the HTML 4.01 MAP element to group links, > and thought it would be of interest to others on the list who may be > using it as well. It also affects Braillenote's Keyweb. > > The technique is suggested in WCAG 1.0 and the recent WCAG 2.0 Candidate > Recommendation. > > www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#group-bypass > > www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20041119/#linkgroups and > www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-HTML-TECHS/H50.html > > Websites using the map element seem to be affected when a screen reader > virtualises the page in Firefox. > > When user testing in Firefox 2 with Jaws 9, all the navigation links > were missing from the virtual buffer. However, turning the virtual > cursor off, the user could tab between all the links (including the > missing ones). The same page viewed in IE using a screen reader > displayed all links. > > If you would like to try it out there is a test page at: > www.e-bility.com/braillespace/bwp/test.php > > After deleting the map element from the markup all the links were > visible (audible/feelable) with Firefox/Jaws and Braillenote's Keyweb. > > www.e-bility.com/braillespace/bwp/ > > I'd be interested to know if anyone else has feedback on this issue. > I've reported it to Bugzilla and Bruce Maguire has posted a message on > the JAWS Beta forum, whose members suggested the map element may be the > problem. GW Micro are in the loop as well. > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431615 > > Firefox is becoming increasingly popular and people are now starting to > use it with screen readers. The Keyweb browser (although very basic and > under-developed) is also used by a lot of people because it is installed > on Braillenote. > > If it is a software problem, then for the time being it seems best to > avoid the MAP element and use a list, div, headings (visible or > positioned off-screen) to help people understand link relationships and > find or skip over navigation groups quickly. > > Cheers, > Sandra. > -- Sandra Vassallo e-Bility Inclusive IT www.e-bility.com ********************************************************************* From: dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:15:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the > current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this > can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the future for web images. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky ********************************************************************* From: Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:05:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything at different sizes? ? On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to > the current window size? I've done some research via Google and it > appears this can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe > some JavaScript? > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images > to scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of > the future for web images. > cheers, > dwain > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* ========== Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com ********************************************************************* From: dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? > does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything > at different sizes? > ? > On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the >> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this >> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to > scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the future > for web images. > cheers, > dwain > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ========== > Joe Ortenzi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.typingthevoid.com > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky ********************************************************************* From: Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:04:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image SVG is not really suitable for photos though. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i > read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make > it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? > > does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything > > at different sizes? > > ? > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > > > > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the > >> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears > this > >> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > > > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to > > scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the > future > > for web images. > > cheers, > > dwain > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > ========== > > Joe Ortenzi > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.typingthevoid.com > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* From: dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:04:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image this is true. On 6/30/08, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SVG is not really suitable for photos though. > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i > > read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make > > it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? > > > does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything > > > at different sizes? > > > ? > > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > > > > > > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to > the > > >> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears > this > > >> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some > JavaScript? > > > > > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > > > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to > > > scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the > future > > > for web images. > > > cheers, > > > dwain > > > > > > > > > -- > > > dwain alford > > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > ========== > > > Joe Ortenzi > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.typingthevoid.com > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky ********************************************************************* From: Per Allan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:19:18 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image I do it here: http://www.sydost.no/ Like this, in <head> <style type="text/css"> html {height:100%;} body {height:100%; margin:0; padding:0;} #bg {position:fixed; top:0; left:0; width:100%; height:100%;} .outer framework {position:relative; z-index:1;} </style><!--[if IE 6]><style type="text/css"> html {overflow-y:hidden;} body {overflow-y:auto;} #bg {position:absolute; z-index:-1;} .outer framework {position:static;} </style><![endif]--> And then I include the picture in my html, not the coolest thing but it works: <div id="bg"><img alt="" height="100%" src="http://www.sydost.no/images/bg.jpg"; width="100%" /></div> Hope it helps. Kind regards Per Allan Johansson Enonic dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev følgende den 30.06.08 22.04: > this is true. > > On 6/30/08, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> SVG is not really suitable for photos though. >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i >>> read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make >>> it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it ? >>>> does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything >>>> at different sizes? >>>> ? >>>> On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to >> the >>>>> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appear s >> this >>>>> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some >> JavaScript? >>>> >>>> there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the >>>> process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images t o >>>> scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the >> future >>>> for web images. >>>> cheers, >>>> dwain >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> dwain alford >>>> "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; >>>> for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> Joe Ortenzi >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://www.typingthevoid.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> dwain alford >>> "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; >>> for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky >>> >>> >>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* > ********************************************************************* From: "Matthew Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:02:43 +1200 Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SVG is not really suitable for photos though. > Which is mostly true but SVG can contain bitmaps and as the goal is to scale the bitmap to 100% anyway then using SVG as a container format would be appropriate (or at least identical to bitmaps, aside from file size). Unrelated, but here's an example of using SVG vectors for a background image... http://holloway.co.nz/wellypug/svg/svg-test2.html .Matthew Holloway http://docvert.org/ http://holloway.co.nz/ ********************************************************************* From: Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:53:07 +1000 Subject: RE: [WSG] Scaling a background image This looks pretty good, I'll give it a whirl. Thanks solutions for a digital world ---------------------------------------- Exchange Server 2007 Built-in Protection, Anywhere Access, Operational Efficiency BLUEARC WILL HELP YOU MAKE THE MOVE. FIND OUT HOW ---------------------------------------- level 1, 11 albany street st leonards nsw 2065 ---------------------------------------- p: 02 9467 2500 d: 02 9467 25 f: 02 9431 5999 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.bluearcgroup.com ---------------------------------------- ARE YOU READY FOR NEXT GENERATION WEB TECHNOLOGY? 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If you receive this email and you are not the addressee, or you have received this email in error, please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately. ï Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Allan Johansson Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 6:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image I do it here: http://www.sydost.no/ Like this, in <head> <style type="text/css"> html {height:100%;} body {height:100%; margin:0; padding:0;} #bg {position:fixed; top:0; left:0; width:100%; height:100%;} .outer_framework {position:relative; z-index:1;} </style><!--[if IE 6]><style type="text/css"> html {overflow-y:hidden;} body {overflow-y:auto;} #bg {position:absolute; z-index:-1;} .outer_framework {position:static;} </style><![endif]--> And then I include the picture in my html, not the coolest thing but it works: <div id="bg"><img alt="" height="100%" src="http://www.sydost.no/images/bg.jpg"; width="100%" /></div> Hope it helps. Kind regards Per Allan Johansson Enonic dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev følgende den 30.06.08 22.04: > this is true. > > On 6/30/08, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> SVG is not really suitable for photos though. >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i >>> read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make >>> it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? >>>> does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything >>>> at different sizes? >>>> ? >>>> On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to >> the >>>>> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears >> this >>>>> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some >> JavaScript? >>>> >>>> there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the >>>> process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to >>>> scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the >> future >>>> for web images. >>>> cheers, >>>> dwain >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> dwain alford >>>> "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; >>>> for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> Joe Ortenzi >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://www.typingthevoid.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> dwain alford >>> "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; >>> for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky >>> >>> >>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: "Lisa Herrod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:27:27 +1000 Subject: Standards compliance and Autocomplete Hi Guys, Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? An example might be that there is a login and password field on a banking site and you don't want the browser to remember the data. I realise there are ways around this and that smart people can still work it out :) Thanks, Lisa -- Lisa Herrod Web Usability: User Experience Research, Consulting and Training Business: http://www.Scenarioseven.com.au Blog: http://www.Scenariogirl.com ********************************************************************* From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:55:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete Lisa Herrod wrote: > Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing > 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? Not tested it, but...could you inject the autocomplete="off" via javascript to the form element? > An example might be that there is a login and password field on a > banking site and you don't want the browser to remember the data. I > realise there are ways around this and that smart people can still work > it out :) Again, not tested, but unless I'm mistaken: when using https, the browser doesn't cache/autocomplete (I may be talking out of my rear here, but it does ring a vague bell). If all else fails, I'd rather have an invalid attribute (with a good rationale why it was used) that doesn't have adverse effects (as opposed to invalid elements, which have the potential of messing up the DOM more dramatically) any day if it actually provides an improvement to usability. P -- Patrick H. Lauke ______________________________________________________________ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ______________________________________________________________ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ______________________________________________________________ ********************************************************************* From: William Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:21:57 +1000 Subject: Re: Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete I have had the same question fluttering around in my head. the thought process for me begins with Accessibility: "can other people still get to the search result that the auto complete is attempting to show if the are using a screen reader or have javascript turned off, or there are bugs (like viewing via a mobile device)". Then there is the standards way of marking up information and following all the other best practice ways of doing things. William > Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lisa Herrod wrote: > > Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing > > 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? > > Not tested it, but...could you inject the autocomplete="off" via > javascript to the form element? > > > An example might be that there is a login and password field on a > > banking site and you don't want the browser to remember the data. I > > realise there are ways around this and that smart people can still > work > > it out :) > > Again, not tested, but unless I'm mistaken: when using https, the > browser doesn't cache/autocomplete (I may be talking out of my rear > here, but it does ring a vague bell). > > If all else fails, I'd rather have an invalid attribute (with a good > rationale why it was used) that doesn't have adverse effects (as opposed > > to invalid elements, which have the potential of messing up the DOM more > > dramatically) any day if it actually provides an improvement to > usability. > > P > -- > Patrick H. Lauke > ______________________________________________________________ > reÃ'·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively > [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] > www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk > http://redux.deviantart.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force > http://webstandards.org/ > ______________________________________________________________ > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: "Lisa Herrod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:24:32 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete 2008/7/1 Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Lisa Herrod wrote: > >> Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing >> 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? >> > > Not tested it, but...could you inject the autocomplete="off" via javascript > to the form element? Thanks Pat, yeah that's what I thought. I wanted confirmation from smart people like you though :) > If all else fails, I'd rather have an invalid attribute (with a good > rationale why it was used) that doesn't have adverse effects (as opposed to > invalid elements, which have the potential of messing up the DOM more > dramatically) any day if it actually provides an improvement to usability. > Yeah that's what I reckon too. if all else passes i can live with something like this. But I did want to see if there was anything out there before I went with it. 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