Forgot to mention several other things, Christie.

   1. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail", I am
   still laughing at that.

CM - Interaction is more than clicking on a link or moving things around on
> a screen.  Those "links" are easier to develop and manage with HTML, plus
> there's still the additional cost of developing/maintaining Flash plus
> addt'l costs to make it as accessible as text/graphics.  Yes, Flash can be
> used but it should never be the only tool that's used.   If a concept can
> ONLY be understood if the learner HAS to SEE it in action then even adding
> all the accessibility add ons to Flash won't help.  In addition,  I've found
> that need to be rare and certainly no reason to justify putting all content
> into Flash.

Sorry I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Those links are not like
using the <a> tag. They are like lines drawn on a map. Linking (drawing a
line) from one side to the other (one word to its definition), a line, if
you have ever done it, like connect-the-dots.

To the question about this conversation being done in Flash, it very well
could have. With some minor changes, we could have talked with video
conferencing. Kinda hard to do, but it can be done.

Brett P.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Brett Patterson <> wrote:

> Pardon the language, but Hell no. For a number of different reasons. Among
> that being, I can't work with the code as good as I can with Microsoft's and
> the fact that it costs too much money. Although it is proprietary, I can
> recode most of what I need to do (Microsoft's code). To say I disagree with
> you, or anyone else for that matter, about Flash not being used by people
> properly, would be a lie. Even being used on the Web itself, I would say
> that is a lie if I disagree. But, I must at least agree with the people who
> are trying to make it accessible. It doesn't matter what we think about it,
> it's going to be there regardless, so instead we need to work on
> accessibility of ALL things that go on the Web. Having looked at the
> solution by BCAT, or whatever it's called, I have noticed some major
> improvements, and most importantly, that it cannot only be applied to
> eLearning, but other ways of Flash uses as well. This is why I promote it,
> now.
> And I must say that all teachers/educators, whatever word you wish to use,
> do recognize different ways to show content off. Even I know different ways.
> Everyone that does use Flash for eLearning, offers different ways to learn
> it. But again, like I said, not my opinion about using it that matters, nor
> anyone else's. What does matter though, is this, (again to reiterate) it
> will be there no matter what, whether we like it or not, so let's work on
> the making it accessible together, get it done and be done with it.
> True to anyone that says it should be Adobe's problem to fix. I agree. But
> they are lazy, so it is up to other people to fix their problem. Okay, so I
> really don't want to have to fix it, you don't want to fix it, we don't want
> to fix it, but BCAT is stepping up and taking charge and fixing it. Let's
> support them, and hope it works. As long as they don't charge. Then it
> becomes a-whole-nother story. But beyond that, more power to them.
> Christie, we are both Constructionists in the term you defined. But I am
> also a Visionary. Plus, I try to help make Tim Berners-Lee's goals possible.
> Those that argue the point it should not be made accessible and not put on
> the web are saying they don't care about his vision of the WWW. Why do I say
> they don't care? Because it's one of either two things, with no other
> possibility. These two choices are either: 1) You don't care about Mr.
> Berners-Lee's vision or the WWW, for that matter. or 2) Your ignorant,
> because you have accepted or don't know that Flash is here to stay.
> --
> Brett P.
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Christie Mason 
> <>wrote:
>>  Brett you are correct, This is a personal theory based on some personal
>> observations.  Do you use a Mac as your primary development computer?
>> Christie Mason
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