I think the point is if you should be spending time developing something with a bad user experience that hardly anyone will use. Yes you could implement a spreadsheet app with tons of page requests, but the user experience would be so bad that people probably wouldn't want to use it.

On 15 Jun 2009, at 16:42, nedlud wrote:

Out of curiosity, what sort of feature are you talking about that
can't be done server side (ie, *without* AJAX)?

I'll confess to relying heavily on server side JS on some projects,
but I did so because I knew those apps would be used exclusively on an
intranet where the SOE was known to support JS. The user experience is
definitely enhanced from the use of client side JS (it was a kind of
online spread sheet used by the finance dept), but it's nothing I
couldn't have done, with a little work, on the server side (and *lots*
of page submissions).

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, raven<rav...@mail.ru> wrote:
Hi.

If a website client of yours hired
you to manage an actual storefront and you
arbitrarily slammed the door in the face of every
100th, 200th, or even 1000th customer, how long
do you think would you keep your job?
If some js feature bring me 100 costumers i can effort loose 1, which don't support js.
Another question that i try to keep all of them, if it's possible.

Graceful degradation is better than nothing, but progressive enhancement rocks.
ACK. It rocks.
Problem:
Often some js feature (AJAX for example) is key to the project.
Than first i develop server side scripts and front end, which depends on AJAX. And after i finish, if there is enough time and budget is OK, i modify front end (if needed) and write additional server side scripts so user may work without js.
If code is good — add such accessibility feature is not a problem.
But if you get project with low budget and where deadline was yesterday, than accessibility must first be sacrificed. If project stay alive — you may return to this question. Yes, progressive enhancement rocks. But, if don't use it wisely, you'll starve.

Also I do support witches, but that's off-topic.
Sorry for my English. I need more practice. Much much more practice. :)

Regards.
Raven aka Silent Imp.


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