I'd argue that headings after the content they 'head' fails the "how it will appear without style sheets" test.
If styling's an issue, dig into your CSS selector toolbox for things like adjacent selectors (depending on browser support requirements) or, failing that, give it a 'listhead' class and style that directly – boring, I know! >From a purely pragmatic standpoint you could probably cheat and stick the heading inside a ul/ol but expect issues in various IEs, where even white space in lists can cause problems. Better off going the adjacent selector route, methinks. Josh Street +61 (0) 425 808 469 On 05/03/2012, at 6:55, Elizabeth Spiegel <w...@spiegelweb.com.au> wrote: > Lists are usually preceded by either a heading or a lead-in sentence. > > <h1>Characteristics of a well-formed list</h1> > <ul> > <li>List items have parallel forms.</li> > <li>...</li> > </ul> > > <p>Well-formed lists have:</p> > <ul> > <li>parallel forms</li> > <li>...</> > <ul> > > Think about how the list will appear with style sheets off: if you make the > title/heading the first item in the list, then you've turned what's > semantically a list of n items into a list of n+1 items. > > It's semantically appropriate to mark up the heading with <h?> even though > it may mess with your structure in the sense of grading headings nicely (h1, > h2 etc). Perhaps not so much of a problem if you place your menu after your > content and use style sheets to place it. > > Regards, > > Elizabeth Spiegel > Web editing > > 0409 986 158 > GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 > www.spiegelweb.com.au > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Dan Freeman > Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 6:12 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? > > I wouldn't recommend that. It may look OK stylistically, but not > semantically. I believe H? before the list makes the most sense. > > - Dan Freeman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of coder > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:23 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? > > <ul > > <li class="title"> > <strong>Quick links</strong> > </li> > <li> > <a href="noticeboard.html" title="news and Notices"> > Noticeboard > </a> > </li> > <li> > <a href="site/sitemap.html" title="A list of site > contents, with links"> > Sitemap > </a> > </li> > <li> > <a href="site/sitepolicy.html"> > Site policy > </a> > </li> > <li> > <a href="site/links.html" title="further information"> > Useful links > </a> > </li> > </ul>?? Works for me!Bob----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Dorward" <da...@dorward.me.uk> > To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? > > > > On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: > >> looks like back in 1984 people could use <LH> for the job. > > No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched in > favour of documenting the then current state of the browser wars. > >> how to do it in 2012? > > > <h?> before the list. > > -- > David Dorward > http://dorward.me.uk > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > > LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients > only. 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