RR73 is also a valid grid square and could cause confusion in software.
George J Molnar KF2T | AFA9GM Twitter: @GJMolnar SUPPORT HR-1301 & S-1685 http://www.arrl.org/amateur-radio-parity-act > On Aug 24, 2015, at 15:40, Jay Hainline <ka9...@mtcnow.net> wrote: > > Just to clarify, the line contained both calls and RR73. This was AFTER > reports had been sent both ways. So I don't know what the difference would be > in receiving 2 "Rogers" instead of 3. :-) > > > > Jay KA9CFD > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: George J Molnar <geo...@molnar.com> > Date: 08/24/2015 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Bill Ockert - ND0B <n...@ockert.us>, WSJT software development > <wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Fw: sending RR73 message on JT9H with auto > sequencer > > Agree, Bill. Auto-sequence should be the same as manual, and RR73 isn't a > good way to complete, nor is anything else that fails to include your > callsign. > > > > George J Molnar, CEM, CHPP > Nevada Statewide Interoperability Coordinator > @GJMolnar | KF2T | AFA9GM > > On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Bill Ockert - ND0B <n...@ockert.us > <mailto:n...@ockert.us>> wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> No I do treat RRR 73 as a valid ending when I handle it manually. I treat >> RR73 as improper in both in content and in white space. >> >> Bill >> >> From: Michael Black <mailto:mdblac...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:53 PM >> To: Bill Ockert - ND0B <mailto:n...@ockert.us> ; WSJT software development >> <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] sending RR73 message on JT9H with auto sequencer >> >> Just curious Bill -- do you treat RR73 as a valid QSO ending? >> About 7% of users use that according to my logs. >> >> Mike W9MDB >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Bill Ockert - ND0B <n...@ockert.us >> <mailto:n...@ockert.us>> wrote: >> Jay, >> >> I do not view it as harsh. Harsh was when I went off HF JT modes completely >> for well over a year >> because of it. I am one of about five stations in ND that are on JT HF >> modes, one >> of about three on both JT HF modes and LOTW and one of one on JT HF modes, >> LOTW >> and 12 and 160 meters. I get on about twice a year to help folks with >> WAS, I am >> not a fan of HF period so it is generally not an enjoyable experience and I >> get a >> resentful when folks start counting teeth... I already know I am about >> ready for McDonalds >> or the glue factory. >> >> Both the WSJT and WSJTX manual clearly state what is considered a minimal >> QSO >> and I am in complete agreement with it. A QSO is complete when all of the >> essential elements of if are complete and that includes one station >> receiving an RRR. >> >> If others choose to use a different format that is purely their business >> just as it >> is mine to choose not to accept less than the published minimal contact. >> At one point >> I had a much more lenient policy about that which included sending TX3 a >> second >> time then emailing the station letting them know what the issue was and >> offering a >> retry. However I was point blank told that I had no right to tell other >> stations what >> to transmit, I capitulated completely and now have a policy where I >> terminate the contact >> immediately upon deviation from the minimal QSO and do not offer a retry. >> The person >> who was doing the complaining called me a crazy old ^&%$#$% when I made the >> change >> so it must have been exactly the right thing to do. >> >> As a personal side note I was hoping to make it to 60 before that happened >> but oh well... >> >> I believe if there is going to be an auto sequencer one of its functions >> should be to >> enforce the minimal QSO and not facilitate less than minimal QSOs. That is >> both >> for integrity of the QSO reasons and because it would be a pain to program >> all of the >> variations that are floating around out there. The only question mark >> there should >> be for an auto sequencer is how to gracefully shut down the contact. There >> is a catch 22 in the logic to handle 73's that I believe is handled >> reasonably well in the WSJT >> ISCAT auto sequencer that I hope to move over the WSJTX. >> >> For those users who feel otherwise they can always override the auto >> sequencer and advance >> if they feel the auto sequencer was being too strict. >> >> 73 de Bill ND0B >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jay Hainline >> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 2:13 PM >> To: WSJT software development >> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] sending RR73 message on JT9H with auto sequencer >> >> Not logging it? That seems a little harsh. The sequencing was correct up to >> that point. He had already received my R-signal report from me and just >> bunched the RR73 into one transmit sequence. All I wanted to do was send the >> 73 transmission but for QSO purposes, it was complete at that point. I did >> manually send the 73 sequence and the QSO was logged. >> >> 73 Jay >> >> Jay Hainline KA9CFD >> Colchester, IL EN40om >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Ockert - ND0B >> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 15:54 >> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] sending RR73 message on JT9H with auto sequencer >> >> The auto sequencer, while it should not have gone back to TX2, actually >> acted in a >> benign manner compared to what I would have done manually, namely ended the >> contact >> without the benefit of logging it. >> >> 73 de Bill ND0B >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jay Hainline >> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:56 AM >> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: [wsjt-devel] sending RR73 message on JT9H with auto sequencer >> >> I had a small issue this morning working a station on 6 meters using >> WSJTX-devel r5808 using JT9H mode and auto sequencing. The station I was >> running with sent calls followed by RR73 programmed in the TX4 message >> button. The auto sequencer on my end got confused by this and went back to >> TX2 to send the report again. I was wondering if this is something where the >> auto sequencer can be programmed to be a little more flexible? I think if I >> copy either RRR or RR73, it should go to transmit TX5 which I have as >> sending calls and 73. >> >> The station I ran with says he is using version r5803 and claims RR73 was >> pre-set for TX4 inside that particular version he downloaded. 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