Thank you Joe for responding. I like your idea of developing a "wspr-msk"
mode that could be used and hopefully be able receive a decode faster than
the 15 minutes that wspr-15 now provides. 

>From what I can tell in the past, wspr-15 did seem to provide decodes at
lower s/n than wspr-2. I have received Germany in the past on wspr-15 at
2200m but no transatlantic what so ever at the 630m wspr-2 band from my
location here in Western Illinois. I would love to see that changed!

73 Jay KA9CFD

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: December 19, 2016 21:04
To: WSJT software development <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Adding WSPR-15 mode to WSJT-X

Hi Jay,

On 12/19/2016 3:38 PM, Jay Hainline wrote:
> Since WSJT-X 1.7.0 has now been released for general availability, I 
> would like to request WSPR-15 be added to the list of modes in WSJT-X. 
> There are still a number of experimenters in the Lowfer community that 
> still would like to use this mode. However its only available in 
> WSPR-X which has some age to it and is very buggy. My version tends to 
> stop running and freeze up after a period of time and is very 
> unreliable on my Windows 10 64 bit computer. How difficult would it be to
add this mode to WSJT-X?
>
> Is there a competing digital mode that would be better to use for the 
> lowfer experimenters that would give the same sensitivity given the 
> bandwidth restrictions that is available in the low frequency and very 
> low frequency range of the radio spectrum? One of these days, the FCC 
> is going to authorize amateur use of the 630m and 2200m bands. It 
> would be nice if the WSJT suite is ready for it.

I have received similar requests from a few others.  We should probably
address this perceived need before too long.  I would like to retire WSPR-X,
anyway, and do further development within WSJT-X.

I am not persuaded that WSPR-15 is really the best way to go.  Here are some
potentially important questions:

1. Is it clear that in practice WSPR-15 provides LF/MF decodes at lower S/N
than WSPR-2?  If so, ho much lower?

2. Could an equivalent gain in performance be achieved by having the decoder
average several consecutive, properly synchronized WSPR-2 transmissions?

3. If a more sensitive WSPR-like mode is truly needed for LF/MF
experimentation, would it be better to create something that for now I'll
call "WSPR-MSK", which (like MSK144) uses OQPSK (Offset Quadrature
Phase-Shift Keying), a constant-envelope waveform, coherent demodulation,
and an LDPC code?  Steve (K9AN) and I have discussed such a possible mode,
and we might be more motivated to develop that rather than going "back" to
WSPR-15.  I suspect WSPR-MSK could be made as sensitive (or better) than
WSPR-15, even with transmissions shorter than
15 minutes.

        -- 73, Joe, K1JT

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