On 17/03/2017 18:27, Gordon Higgins wrote:
> Hi bill not no if this is the right place to ask this ?
>
> i am noticing a lot off stations on jt9 that print up more than once 
> on my screen they are usale +8 or more and secondary prints are 
> normaly -20 or more had on station print up 17 timems  i run WXJT-X 
> v1.7.1 r7441  any comment i to have been told that i have multy 
> decodes @ local stations usaly @ -20 or more below my main signal no 
> problem on jt65 any help appritated 

Hi Gordon,

no problem asking here although in future it helps everyone if you start 
a new thread rather than post unrelated questions as replies to existing 
message threads.

There are normally two causes of multiple decodes of station's signals. 
Both are related and likely to be due to some level of line hum in an 
audio circuit. This can happen at the transmitting station in which case 
the mixing products are being transmitted on air. The line noise tends 
to be at twice the local line frequency due to power supply 
rectification methods. So signals from a station on a 50Hz line 
frequency may have spurious mixing products at +/- 100Hz, +/- 200Hz etc. 
and a station on a 60Hz line frequency may have spurii at +/- 120Hz, 
+/-240Hz etc.. It is very hard to totally eliminate all sources of hum 
in audio circuits, especially when connected between equipment. If the 
strongest spurious mixing product is at least 40dB down on the main 
signal then it is reasonably OK and acceptable.

The same problem can occur at the receiving station, this is less 
serious as the spurii are not transmitted although eliminating them can 
only help.

If you find all strong signals suffer this issue, roughly in proportion 
to the main signal strength, then the receiving station is probably at 
fault, if only few stations exhibit this issue, especially when there 
are stronger ones that do not, then the transmitting station is probably 
at fault.

Good quality earth bonding between PCs and rigs usually helps with minor 
cases although this can be difficult with laptop PCs.

Note that these effects are different from another often seen where one 
or more weaker versions of a signal at higher frequencies are seen. When 
these are harmonic products their main characteristic is that they are 
wider by a multiple of the harmonic number plus 1. These will not be 
decoded but may be apparent on the waterfall and 2D spectrum displays. 
These are usually due to audio level overdrive causing clipping 
distortion and most commonly caused at the transmitting station.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


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