I didn’t think it was something on my receive end as I have decoded some 20 db 
+ stations with no problems and in one of the transmissions
he is at +7 and still the dual transmit 80 Hz apart.  This was the first time I 
have seen the dual transmit,

I did not check the waterfall to look for any harmonics. Was busy saving screen 
prints.
We will see if it happens again.

Thanks for all the comments.

Jerry W8DLD
From: Morris Wideman via wsjt-devel 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:56 AM
To: WSJT software development 
Cc: Morris Wideman 
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] dual transmit

I have seen a good bit of this sort of thing .. having a noise blanker on will 
cause this as well as a lot of DSP as I have observed on my 
FT1000mp also you can have mixing within a soundcard cause this I believe where 
you have two strong signals as well as the 60hz problems.
just my thoughts 73 Morris wa4mit

On Monday, December 11, 2017, 8:43:22 AM CST, David Tiller 
<dtil...@captechconsulting.com> wrote: 




I was going to say the same thing that Bill S. said, however I noticed that the 
difference frequency was more like 80 Hz than a multiple of 50 or 60. That's a 
little odd. Hopefully the station has all fancy soundcard-based audio 
processing turned off.



Did you notice harmonics on the waterfall display at the same time? I see (and 
can generally hear)  lots of stations apparently overdriving the heck out of 
their rigs. I've seen 1 station transmitting 1st thru 7th harmonics! (Yes, I 
made sure I turned off preamps, reduced RF gain, etc to try and make sure it 
wasn't on my end).



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From: Bill Somerville <g4...@classdesign.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:44 AM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] dual transmit 

On 11/12/2017 13:21, Jerry S wrote:
> Is it possible to transmit on two frequencies at the same time with 
> wsjt-x FT8.
> Below are screen prints receiving K4UX sending on two frequencies 
> yesterday on 30m.
> Jerry W8DLD

Hi Jerry,

the things to note here are that the messages are the same, the SNR 
numbers are very different, and the frequency separation is a multiple 
of 60 Hz (particularly a multiple of 120 Hz).

This all adds up to his signal being modulated by line hum in the audio 
domain, from a full-wave rectified, but not fully smoothed, PSU. I would 
guess the source of the noise is at the transmitting end but that is not 
conclusive as he is the strongest signal. W7OM and KE4FW are only a 
little weaker and have no images to I would say with a high probability 
that the problem is at K4UX's end. Noise mixing producing unwanted 
images only 24 dB down from the fundamental are not desirable although, 
by far, not the worst see on the bands.

73
Bill
G4WJS.


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