Nobody is saying that ALC is the cause of the problem. There's lots of things
feed into the ALC.It's simply an indication that SOMETHING is over driving the
rig when the ALC indicates more then 0dB of attenuation.
I think you'll find if you reduce the USB Mod Level you'll find the ALC can be
reduced to 0 on the scale and still get 90W out if WSJT-X is at full power and
you have 0dB on the Playback device.
I've done that on about 5 IC-7300's and they all end up at either 6 or 7 on the
USB Mod Level.
de Mike W9MDB
On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:27:43 AM CDT, Roy Gould
<[email protected]> wrote:
For what it's worth, I have a different view of how ALC works.
First of all, I don't think that properly implemented ALC causes more than a
trivial amount of distortion in the signal.Audio processors in studio sound
boards and in commercial radio stations use it routinely. It has the benefit of
stabilizing the audio level. The FT8 signal has constant amplitude so ALC does
not have to work hard at all.It just sits there maintaining constant
transmitter output power.
I checked to see what the ALC was doing in my ICOM IC-7300 and saw that it was
about 55%, which is perhapsa little too high. So I reduced the Speakers (USB
Audio CODEC) from 20% to 15% and the ALC dropped to 45%.I am using the built in
soundcard in the IC-7300. I am not having any problems in making contacts and I
thinkthat my signal is clean. To prove otherwise would require using laboratory
instruments to test the signal...
73, Roy, W7IDM
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:47 AM Ryan Tourge <[email protected]> wrote:
I have used the following method regardless of radio used...
Use an external power meter (after the transmitter).
Adjust audio gain/drive until the point where power meter stops rising. At this
point, the radios ALC meter will start to show some deflection. Back the audio
back slightly. The power output will stay about the same and ALC will be "0" on
the radio's meter.
Make contacts :)
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 7:42 AM Black Michael via wsjt-devel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Only when the manual is correct. Most are wholly inadequate in this respect.
Mainly due to not addressing digital modes at all. Even Kenwood's own TS-890S
multi-lingual manual doesn't mention this.
I just worked with a user yesterday with in IC-7000 and RigBlaster Advantage in
the ACC socket and had to have the MIC level set at 1 and we could crank up the
RigBlaster TX to get 90W without any ALC action on the rig. If we cranked up
the MIC gain and turned down the RigBlaster TX we could get ALC action at 10W
(note that the rig was always set at 100W).
Any manual that talks about SSB Phone mode needs to be ignored as it has
nothing to do with digital operations.
My main point is that if you can get 90W without ALC indication you are pretty
well guaranteed your signal is as clean as it can get. And I've been able to
get 90W/No ALC on 99% of the rigs I've dealt with.
de Mike W9MDB
On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 01:06:46 AM CDT, Roeland Jansen
<[email protected]> wrote:
so we agree that we should follow the manuals of the manufacturers?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 4:56 PM Black Michael via wsjt-devel
<[email protected]> wrote:
I finally got a reply from Kenwood for the TS-990S -- this quite likely applies
to all the Kenwood's with the red ALC zone.
The bottom of the meter is 0dB ALC. I would maintain once you see the "beings
to swing" you back off a bit for no swing.
You won't find the PSK31 words in the multi-lingual manual...it's in the
English manual (and perhaps the other individual languages).It tells you to set
the rig for almost no ALC indication.
de Mike W9MDB
Regarding the ALC 0dB and +6dB, refer to the picture below.
In the TS-990S instruction manual, it is mentioned as follows.
---------------------------------------------
In the case of operation in the digital mode such as PSK31 using
a PC, you must adjust the audio output level from PC until the ALC
meter of the transceiver begins to swing.
---------------------------------------------
The level "begins to swing" is not zone max (+6dB) but threshold 0dB.
On Thursday, June 6, 2019, 01:09:07 AM CDT, Wolfgang <[email protected]> wrote:
There is a common belief that became an internalized misentrepretation:
"NO ALC", or even "ALC is bad", this can not be applied to all rigs. On a
Kenwood rig the manual says, you should not go (drive) the rig beyond the
red bar.
For example, the Kenwood TS990 audio input setting to "no ALC" will result
in an Power output that goes down to indeterminable value, compared to the
Po setting on the front panel knob & meter.
So please consult your rigs manual, the designers gave you the right info.
73 de Wolfgang
OE1MWW
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