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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Anyone going to EclipseCon ? (Doug Schaefer)
2. Re: Anyone going to EclipseCon ? (Gorkem Ercan)
3. Re: Anyone going to EclipseCon ? (Gorkem Ercan)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:03:15 +0000
From: Doug Schaefer <[email protected]>
To: General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues.
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
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BTW, for the record, JSDT is critical for Node.js and Qt as well. Cordova is
just another one of these.
I don?t think there?s much benefit to moving them. As long as the rules put in
place by the WTP PMC don?t prevent us or make it hard to do what we need to do.
And Desktop is definitely a thing anymore. You?re likely typing at one right
now. And you?re running your JSDT on one. ;). They?re just reverting back to
their roots when Workstations were king for content creators and engineers.
Doug.
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM
To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
Inlined..
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Doug Schaefer
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I?m OK with Tools, since I?m on the PMC there :). Maybe we need to move the
HTML, CSS, and JavaScript tooling there too so that it can be reused in non-Web
stacks (thinking out of the box that is)? Either way, we need to involve the
WTP at some level.
I do not think project dependencies should be a big factor on selecting top
level project. but I agree the progress of JSDT is crucial for the Hybrid
Mobile tools so WTP needs to be involved.
What do you think the benefits of moving JSDT and SSE out of WTP would be?
BTW, I find it hard to think of Mobile as a thing anymore. The programming
technologies we?re running there are almost all taken from the desktop,
including HTML5 and friends. I remember our old friend Doug Gaff mentioning at
an early EclipseCon that this convergence was going to happen, and it certainly
has.
Agreed but I think it is the other way around.. Desktop is not a thing anymore
Doug.
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 at 12:33 PM
To: Mike Milinkovich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>,
"General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
Unfortunately, Eclipse no longer has an obvious top level project for mobile.
For Cordova tools (I called it Hybrid Mobile Tooling actually) , I was leaning
towards Tools Project because WTP does not mix with mobile much.
--
Gorkem
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Mike Milinkovich
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 21/01/2014 12:51 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Be a nice addition to WTP
Doug,
I am curious as to why you think WTP would be the natural home for Cordova
tooling? To be clear, I don't personally care. I'm just having a hard time
making the connection.
--
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:20:19 -0500
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]>
To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
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Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
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No doubt that WTP hosts most of the web technology related tools and JS EPP
would be a great addition. However I think WTP has stagnated and could not
pass beyond JEE and server based technologies while the web technologies
did. This may all be my perception but WTP charter[1] talking in detail
about server based apps on scope does not help either. I have nothing
against server based apps, I am still a committer for WTP Server tools, but
WTP needs less server and JEE and more node.js, cordova to change its
stagnated perception.
[1] http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/project-charter.html
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Chuck Bridgham <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi everyone,
Sorry for not replying earlier, but I must agree with Doug, WTP already
contains the static web technology tools mentioned (JSDT, css, html) that
has recently seen an uptick in activity :)
If the question is around flexible packaging options, up until recently we
offered the Javascript EPP(limited resource and interest forced us to
reture this option).
This could be seen as a foundation for a mobile subproject etc... WTP
would of course welcome this community :)
Thanks
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*Chuck Bridgham* 4205 S Miami Blvd
Architect, WebSphere Developer Tools Durham, North Carolina 27703-9141
Eclipse
WTP PMC Lead USA Phone: 919-254-1848 Mobile: 919-345-7657 e-mail:
[email protected]
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From: Doug Schaefer <[email protected]>
To: Mike Milinkovich <[email protected]>, "
[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: 01/23/2014 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
Sent by: [email protected]
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Well, you would use the editors from the Web Developer Tools as a base for
building Cordova apps. I guess we could add the relatively small Cordova
build tools support in a Tools project.
The bigger point though is that more and more environments are based on
HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. We need to make sure the tooling we have at
Eclipse can meet all those needs. If you have an idea on a project
structure that can help with that, it would certainly help.
Doug.
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
Original Message
From: Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
On 21/01/2014 12:51 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Be a nice addition to WTP
Doug,
I am curious as to why you think WTP would be the natural home for
Cordova tooling? To be clear, I don't personally care. I'm just having a
hard time making the connection.
--
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:25:21 -0500
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]>
To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues."
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Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Doug Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
BTW, for the record, JSDT is critical for Node.js and Qt as well.
Cordova is just another one of these.
I don?t think there?s much benefit to moving them. As long as the rules
put in place by the WTP PMC don?t prevent us or make it hard to do what we
need to do.
And Desktop is definitely a thing anymore. You?re likely typing at one
right now. And you?re running your JSDT on one. ;). They?re just reverting
back to their roots when Workstations were king for content creators and
engineers.
Yeap, guilty on running a desktop. I do not think this should be further
discussed without beer though :)
Doug.
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues." <
[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM
To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues." <
[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
Inlined..
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Doug Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
I?m OK with Tools, since I?m on the PMC there :). Maybe we need to move
the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript tooling there too so that it can be reused in
non-Web stacks (thinking out of the box that is)? Either way, we need to
involve the WTP at some level.
I do not think project dependencies should be a big factor on selecting
top level project. but I agree the progress of JSDT is crucial for the
Hybrid Mobile tools so WTP needs to be involved.
What do you think the benefits of moving JSDT and SSE out of WTP would
be?
BTW, I find it hard to think of Mobile as a thing anymore. The
programming technologies we?re running there are almost all taken from the
desktop, including HTML5 and friends. I remember our old friend Doug Gaff
mentioning at an early EclipseCon that this convergence was going to
happen, and it certainly has.
Agreed but I think it is the other way around.. Desktop is not a thing
anymore
Doug.
From: Gorkem Ercan <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "General discussion of project-wide or architectural issues." <
[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 at 12:33 PM
To: Mike Milinkovich <[email protected]>, "General discussion
of project-wide or architectural issues." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wtp-dev] Anyone going to EclipseCon ?
Unfortunately, Eclipse no longer has an obvious top level project for
mobile.
For Cordova tools (I called it Hybrid Mobile Tooling actually) , I was
leaning towards Tools Project because WTP does not mix with mobile much.
--
Gorkem
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Mike Milinkovich <
[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/01/2014 12:51 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Be a nice addition to WTP
Doug,
I am curious as to why you think WTP would be the natural home for
Cordova tooling? To be clear, I don't personally care. I'm just having a
hard time making the connection.
--
Mike Milinkovich
[email protected]
+1.613.220.3223
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