Will do.  Do you happen to know someone I can point them to for
training? :-)

-=michael=-

-- 
Michael Kelly 
Sr. Software Engineer 
Eleven Wireless Inc. - The Possibilities are Wireless 
http://www.elevenwireless.com 



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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [Wtr-general] I Like WET


Michael,

I don't doubt your intentions and wish you best of luck. Keep us
informed 
of progress.

And when you are ready for release, please set up a separate mailing
list 
for all the clueless newbies who are are now going to be watir
scripters!

Bret


At 01:22 PM 8/17/2005, Michael Kelly wrote:
>Bret, thanks for sharing your thoughts on WatirMaker. I have similar 
>concerns about the utility of script recorders and caution your readers

>to not expect too much from WatirMaker. It has *not* been conceived of 
>as a record/playback tool for non-programmers. On the contrary, at 
>Eleven the programmers use Watir to write UI unit tests in a 
>test-driven fashion. Nearly every test starts with some setup in the 
>database using the DataMother design pattern (a variant of the 
>ObjectMother pattern which can be found here: 
>http://www.thoughtworks.com/us/library/ObjectMother%20Website.pdf), and

>concludes with one or more asserts validating specific conditions. It 
>is the stuff in the middle that we hope WatirMaker will facilitate.
>
>We imagine the tool fitting nicely into a process that looks something 
>like this:
>
>1. Create test skeleton (including data prep).
>2. Capture Watir statements and paste into the test skeleton. 3. Modify

>as needed and add asserts.
>
>In truth, I believe that we're seeking the same tool you've described 
>as "...a tool that would show you the Watir syntax for identifying a 
>control or page element you point to." We've simply conceived of the 
>tool as a recorder.
>
>-=michael=-
>
>--
>Michael Kelly
>Sr. Software Engineer
>Eleven Wireless Inc. - The Possibilities are Wireless 
>http://www.elevenwireless.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bret Pettichord
>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Wtr-general] I Like WET
>
>
>I really like WET and looking over its code has strongly influenced the

>direction that i want to take Watir in.
>
>For background, see this:
>http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog/
>
>I'll have more details about what i want to do posted here shortly.
>
>Bret
>
>
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