I guess I've assumed that code thoroughly tested by developers would
reduce the time QA spends documenting issues, but that the QA engineer
would still have an obligation to manually exercise all the simple test
cases.  Is this not true?

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With little developer testing, testers often have to run lots of simple 
tests to uncover simple bugs.

Getting the developers more involved in testing should allow the testers
to 
move to more complex tests more quickly.

At 11:21 AM 8/18/2005, Michael Kelly wrote:
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>My developer chums and I use Watir as part of our test-driven
>development.  As such, we're giddy to be able to finally write unit
tests 
>for the UI.  But the presence of these developer written UI test
scripts 
>raises questions about what impact, if any, they will have on what our
QA 
>engineer will focus on.  It's tempting to suggest that there is a whole

>set of functionality that they simply don't have to test manually 
>anymore.  But clearly this is just wrong, wrong, wrong.  The developers

>will only write tests for the things they think of, and we all know
that 
>developers tend to be optimistic about their code.  In addition, the
unit 
>tests themselves can have flaws that cause a test to pass when the code
is 
>not, in fact, functioning properly.
>
>So, it seems that we still need the QA engineer to do a full manual QA
>pass on the software.  At what point do these scripts allieviate some
of 
>the QA engineer's manual testing burden?
>
>Thanks for your thoughts,
>
>-=michael=-
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