Hi, Jonathan-
The SVG Interest Group [1] is *clearly and explicitly* intended to bring
more users into the process. Read in particular the Scope and
Participation sections. I explicitly invited you to join the SVG IG to
help with this [2].
How you could read or imagine it to be anything else is quite beyond me.
Your failure to understand or acknowledge this makes me pause to
consider whether you are willing to usefully contribute to the SVG IG in
this capacity.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/SVG_rechartering/SVG-IG-charter.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Activities#Accessibility_Note
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote (on 6/21/08 4:06 AM):
Doug,
as per the formal objection to WCAG2 I wish to make it clear that as far
as I am aware ARIA, WCAG, SVG and HTML, in common with other
W3CWGs, continue to fail to involve end users in their process. The
results are web technologies that suit guilds of web designers and their
corporations, but do little to enable the general person on the Clapham
Omnibus who wishes to publish independently.
I have repeatedly asked the SVGWG to consider creating a microformat.
One that could be more easily implemented allowing the creation of an
authoring tool that produced accessible files. Inkscape after a decade
of development still has no check on whether a primary title is
included, though the spec. suggests every file should have one. There
are amazingly few files with titles in the wild, early this year, a
grep check on openclipart, suggests there may be 0.08% or about 6 out
of 7000. The W3C validator performs no check on whether a title is present.
It remains the case that easy to use authoring software is hard to find.
A request to the Oatsoft open source assistive technology software
archive produced no results.
ARIA does nothing to address this imbalance, it is merely another layer
of complexity, requiring implementation.
Whilst it may be true that the original html specifications led to a
vicious cycle of bloating user agents, poor code and many ugly sites,
the fact remains that end-users were engaged.
I have also repeatedly asked the W3C management team to consider the
need to include end-users in the specification process.
It remains to be seen whether the SVGIG is an attempt to meet this request.
regards
the formal objection to WCAG2
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006Jun/0118.html
"Putting the User at the Heart of the W3C Process"
a talk given at the CETIS Accessibility SIG Meeting 24th July 2007
http://wiki.cetis.ac.uk/Putting_the_User_at_the_Heart_of_the_W3C_Process
Full Potential: Who's counting?
10 October 2007
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easy to use authoring software
http://lists.becta.org.uk/pipermail/oats-sig/2008-February/001279.html
Oatsoft open source assistive technology software archive
http://www.oatsoft.org/
Authors should always provide a 'title' child element to the
outermost 'svg' element within a stand-alone SVG document.
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#DescriptionAndTitleElements
W3C Validator: SVG: title & accessibility
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2008Apr/0000.html
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Jonathan Chetwynd
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http://www.openicon.org/
+44 (0) 20 7978 1764
Full Potential: Who's counting?
Ian,
Who is tasked with measuring and reporting on how or indeed whether W3C
is fulfilling it's stated objective?
Is this an external and independent body?
Where are their reports published?
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
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