Doug Scheper wrote in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-
archive/2009Feb/0119.html>
"""It's a shame that the email list for that particular spec (sXBL) is
Member-confidential, because it stops the general public from being able
to review the discussions and make a judgment for themselves whether the
straw-poll that broke the camel's back was as dramatic as you represent.
...
In particular, you may be
overstating how closely you represented the browser vendors. (For the
benefit of those who have Member access, I refer to the email that leads
me to that conclusion [1]; for those that don't have Member access, I
apologize for including the link, and for my circumspect assertion.)
[1] (Member-confidential)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-binding-tf/2005JulSep/
0075.html"""
Fortunately, I have member access and was able to go back :)
I don't think that link is, in context, clear support for your
qualms. It is a response to:
(Member-confidential)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-binding-tf/2005JulSep/
0062.html
In which there may have been some overstating, but in other email Ian
seems to fairly consistently refer to "Opera and Mozilla". So this
could have been a simple miscommunication. Also, if you consider:
(Member-confidential)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-binding-tf/2004AprJun/
0483.html
Then Ian's picture has some more support.
I can say, personally, that in groups I've been in, I've often felt
stuck in the "I must concede" role and "compromise means I give stuff
up with nothing in return". Indeed, I've often felt that other people
won't even *try* to accommodate my view (e.g., I often find myself in
charter fights initiated by other people). When I do concede
something major, for the sake of progress, mind, that never seems to
benefit me.
Frankly, I hate that ;) It doesn't seem very healthy for a group,
either.
Now, I may be wrong in my assessment of my situation, but there you
go. I have no assessment of the sXBL case other than I don't find
your pointer compelling in context.
Cheers,
Bijan.
P.S. Sorry for all the member confidential links and
obliqueness...but if you are going to raise this stuff publicly, then
I don't know what else to do. It doesn't seem to me that the W3C has
an Audit Board which tries to analyze failures and draw lessons from
them. That could be a very helpful thing.
