not sure I follow this.

I though legend was intended to bind a caption that appears below a picture with the picture. Not create a way to attach metadata to a group.

Also I thought that we decided the three stages of a butterfly required alt on each of the items. The legend was used only to put a caption on the group.

Using it for non-visual binding and description of groups would not seem to make sense. if the group was a group, then all readers would need to see it. no?


Maybe I'm missing your point. What other places did you think of using it?


Gregg
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Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Director Trace R&D Center
Professor Ind and Biomed Engr
University of Wisconsin-Madison







On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:

aloha!

i hope this makes sense, because it is a thought that was nagging me
and keeping me from (hopefully temporarily) resting in peace, and since i don't trust my memory to post about it tomorrow, i've booted my laptop back up, and logged back on to the web to advance an analogy and propose that PF/WAI formally point out to the HTML WG the advantage of applying the LEGEND element -- in addition to the DETAILS element -- more broadly,
as the two elements provide authors creating HTML5 documents with a
consistent means of strongly binding together collections of uniquely
labeled objects and/or widgets...

tell me if i'm off-base, but my understanding of the purpose and function
of the LEGEND element as defined for FIGURE is derived from the use of
LEGEND in the FIELDSET, LEGEND, LABEL model inherited from HTML 4.01 -- the LEGEND provides a terse description of a group of related items: in
a FORM, a group of related INPUT controls are labeled by the LEGEND
defined for the FIELDSET, while each individual INPUT control is bound to its LABEL with a for/id relationship, just as each IMG in a FIGURE which contains multiple images (as in GreggV's "3 Stages of a Butterfly's Life"
example) needs to be bound to a unique terse descriptor through use of
@alt and/or aria-labelledby

so, my very fuzzy brain concludes that PF should also advise the HTML WG
since re-use and consistency are a hallmark of a well-designed markup
language, the LEGEND element should be used whenever the situation
calls for a terse descriptor/heading for a collection of related
objects or widgets, when contained in any of HTML5's media specific
elements, such as VIDEO, AUDIO, FIGURE, etc.

both the HTML WG and WAI have a vested interest in simplifying the
markup language that is intended to become the new lingua franca (or
lowest common denominator, depending upon one's point of view)

gregory. finally and actually shutting down for the night.
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