Thanks Julian - very helpful.
I've added this mail, more or less verbatim, to the report - so now folk
can see exactly where the figure came from and what you did and didn't
claim!
Cheers
Phil.
On 23/07/2012 13:59, Julian Tait wrote:
Hi Phil,
This figure has been conflated:
The £8.5 million figure was based on an rudimentary internal audit that was
conducted by Trafford Borough Council that was then extrapolated to cover the
whole of Greater Manchester. There are a lot of assumptions in the figure and I
did caveat it whilst doing my presentation - The figure has cropped up a few
times especially from the Cabinet Office.
The figure was derived from:
They estimated that at any given time during a working day there was at least
60 people within the local authority who were unable to locate the data they
required to undertake their jobs. This was costed at a nominal figure of £15
p.h. They then extrapolated it across the 10 Greater Manchester authorities to
give the £8.5 million figure. The actual figures used on the method were
actually £15.84 million per annum but these were revised down due to local
authority salary bands.
60 people x 10 = 600
Hourly rate = £8 per hour, which is less than the £15 per hour used to
calculate the cost of FOIA requests
Hours per day = 8
Working days per year = 220
Total £8,448,000
These are the figures that were supplied by Trafford Council
The other example was the cost of installing passenger information displays
across Greater Manchester. This was an example used by TfGM when it first gave
its support to open data in 2010. It worked out that to install the realtime
passenger information displays on bus stops across Greater Manchester could
potentially cost £21 million as there are 14,000+ bus stops and each of the
displays costs approx £1,500 each including installation. I didn't state a
figure in the presentation, I just said that you can see that it would cost a
lot of money.
If you cost it at £21 million you are assuming that every stop has a display
which in the real world won't happen.
On another note Jay Nath CIO, San Francisco announced this calculation a couple
of weeks ago with regard to 311 Call savings from making real time transport
data available
Hope this makes a little more sense.
Any other questions, please don't hesitate to reply.
Cheers
Julian
On 23 Jul 2012, at 12:35, Phil Archer wrote:
Hi Julian,
I'm answering comments on the PMOD report from my boss and he's raised an issue
that does indeed need clarification.
In your slides you say it costs an estimated 8.5M to provide the data
infrastructure for GM transport data. In the minutes this all got recorded as
there being a potential saving of that amount simply by providing smartphone
apps cf. providing info at bus shelters. Can you help me out please by
clarifying what the actual costs are and what is saved by doing... ?
Thanks
Phil.
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