On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Charles Parnot <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Frank Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Charles Parnot >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I agree that relying on the rendering order for incremental disambiguation >>> is not a great solution. >>> >>> Note that there is one situation where we have something similar, which is >>> the <substitute> element, that tries each child in order. In a way, that >>> might be a saner solution, if not as flexible. For more complex situations, >>> the <if disambiguate="true"> would have to be quite high up in the >>> rendering tree, and would look something like this: >>> >>> <if disambiguate="true"> >>> <text macro="disambiguate1" /> >>> <text macro="disambiguate2" /> >>> <text macro="disambiguate3" /> >>> <text macro="disambiguate4" /> >>> </if> >>> <else> >>> <text macro="normal" /> >>> </else> >>> >>> Charles >> >> In that case, how would you control the placement of the incremental >> elements? Would the idea be for each one to encapsulate an entire >> citation, separately constructed in the respective macros? (I might be >> missing something but) if so, it seems like the style code might be >> kind of tricky to maintain. > > Yes, that's what I meant by needing the construct to be quite high in the > rendering tree. That would of course only be necessary for more complicated > cases where ading one disambiguation somewhere in the rendering tree is not > enough. > > To be clear, I am not saying this is ideal, nor is it based on any insight in > creating styles. I was just thinking out loud, and it might very well be more > flexible disambiguation is needed too often for such a solution to be > practical. > > The other downside of this is that it becomes very hard to specify the > behavior when the style contains multiple <if> of that nature. > > So probably not a very good idea :-) > > Charles
The more ideas, the better! > > > > >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Frank Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM, andrea rossato <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Frank Bennett <[email protected]> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I've implemented incremental application of disambiguate="true" in >>>>>> citeproc-js (release 1.0.451). There is a test for it here: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://bitbucket.org/bdarcus/citeproc-test/src/tip/processor-tests/humans/disambiguate_IncrementalExtraText.txt?at=default >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Actually I'm not sure I like this approach because I find it a bit >>>>> confusing. If "disambiguate" is "true" then it should always evaluate to >>>>> "true" and so both the title and the edition should be printed. The >>>>> example is not confusing because all the disambiguate conditionals are >>>>> grouped together. When coded in macros their order of occurrence may be >>>>> more difficult to understand and predict, thus becoming a source of >>>>> possible bugs. >>>>> >>>>> I understand that my perception may be due to different coding cultures >>>>> -- Haskell is a purely functional language and the value of a variable >>>>> is not going to change depending on the context --, still I wanted to >>>>> share my perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Andrea >>>> >>>> No, you're right. This adds elements incrementally from the >>>> first-occurring to the last (in rendering order), and it would be good >>>> to have more control over the sequence. That would involve some >>>> changes to the specification, but could be done. >>>> >>>> Shall I move that test out of the suite, pending further discussion of >>>> the approach? 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