Hello Brian.

The problem with FreeIPA is that it relies on Kerberos. We also have a lot of 
clusters that uses FreeIPA, we also added automount maps on it for NFS. It's 
good when it works. But when it breaks is a pain in the ass.

We are re-evaluating FreeIPA. Perhaps using only plain 389ds, but we still 
didn't know. We use FreeIPA with xCAT, not with Confluent. Confluent is good, 
but lacking documentation is very concerning.

Regards.

On 30 Oct 2024, at 20:03, Brian Joiner <martinitime1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Stu!  Long time no see!

I like it.  The docs are a little rough around the edges, not as extensive as 
xCAT but between the quick start guide and a few other articles I was able to 
get it working.  And the support in this forum has been really good.  Using 
FreeIPA as my identity (ldap) and DNS manager for the cluster has been the key. 
 Confluent doesn't have to control everything, and FreeIPA has made my life so 
much easier for management and confluent deployments.  I prefer it over using 
local host file management, plus it has all kinds of capabilities (like 
managing sudo rules).
The only real issue I have is the error message output, I'm not great at 
deciphering all the python lol.  I'd like to see some refinement of the 
documentation (like a matrix of commands and tasks translated from xCAT to 
Confluent, a cheat sheet if you will), but that's it.  It's got a lot of 
improvements and capabilities.  I use it on my home lab and at work, very happy 
with it.

Brian Joiner


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 4:29 PM Noah, Stuart via xCAT-user 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote:
Hi Brian,

What is your opinion of Confluent?

The message threads lately seem to indicate that that the direction is to 
migrate folks to that rather than continue releases of Xcat…

We have our new cluster on Bright, but that is a cash hog…  and overkill for 
the development environment that we are currently redesigning.

Thanks,

Stu

From: Russell Jones <arjone...@gmail.com<mailto:arjone...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2024 7:40 AM
To: xCAT Users Mailing list 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: [External] Re: [xcat-user] xCAT Consortium Update

For what it's worth all, I headed up migrating the company I work for to 
Warewulf. There's a bit of a learning curve because it does things quite 
differently, but the documentation is decent and the developers are very active 
in their
For what it's worth all, I headed up migrating the company I work for to 
Warewulf. There's a bit of a learning curve because it does things quite 
differently, but the documentation is decent and the developers are very active 
in their Slack channel and receptive to helping when you get stuck.... and 
there were several things I got stuck on :-) One is we needed to be able to 
support multiple networks from a single manager just like xCAT (warewulf 
doesn't have that capability out of the box). The developers helped, and it was 
totally doable with some minor configuration file edits.

Another "major" thing is you are on your own for writing your own systemd 
script to launch postscripts after a node boots. Warewulf does not have a 
built-in capability for postscripts. Again, totally doable.

I would recommend moving to Warewulf.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 1:20 PM Glick, Bill 
<bgl...@illinois.edu<mailto:bgl...@illinois.edu>> wrote:
Thank you, Markus.

I want to apologize for the tone of my original email. You had given an update 
about this on May 10, 
2024<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/sourceforge.net/p/xcat/mailman/message/58770579/__;!!KOmnBZxC8_2BBQ!3BDzbG93wbVijU0gAjAOFnVSIVYSX71pqAYb4UgJAciajsalv8A98jWYpm4rigz6kC73dc-lQ6WphbxwCFyB$>,
 but I was having trouble locating that when I sent this latest enquiry.

I have been using the last development 
release<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/xcat.org/files/xcat/repos/yum/devel/core-snap/__;!!DZ3fjg!4r59aVCvn4jsWNCCrHAh6xyrgu5mx6BI9J0SxQ-d0TGtijvuu86F-dHJdhhvulngQh7UVfY6X1ZJUe-x7E-_X1DEjgU$>
 for the last week. It is working well for us. Thanks!

- Bill Glick



From: Markus Hilger 
<markus.hil...@megware.com<mailto:markus.hil...@megware.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 10:56 AM
To: Glick, Bill <bgl...@illinois.edu<mailto:bgl...@illinois.edu>>, xCAT Users 
Mailing list 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: AW: xCAT Consortium Update
Hi Bill,

yes, we are still here :)
However, as we are all only following the project on the side, things are 
sometimes progressing a little slower than we would like.

The current plan is to release 
2.17<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/xcat2/xcat-core/milestone/53__;!!DZ3fjg!4r59aVCvn4jsWNCCrHAh6xyrgu5mx6BI9J0SxQ-d0TGtijvuu86F-dHJdhhvulngQh7UVfY6X1ZJUe-x7E-_I0DJmgo$>
 before Supercomputing this year. The codebase is ready, and the last 
development 
release<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/xcat.org/files/xcat/repos/yum/devel/core-snap/__;!!DZ3fjg!4r59aVCvn4jsWNCCrHAh6xyrgu5mx6BI9J0SxQ-d0TGtijvuu86F-dHJdhhvulngQh7UVfY6X1ZJUe-x7E-_X1DEjgU$>
 is what 2.17 will be.
So, anyone is welcome to use it already. You don't have to wait for an 
"official release".

We might want to hold another BoF session at Supercomputing. But we are still 
finalizing the details.

Nevertheless, I would like to mention again that xCAT itself has no long-term 
future. We do not recommend using xCAT for new clusters that may want to 
upgrade to newer operating systems such as RHEL 10.
The project is only in maintenance mode. We will provide a small fix here and 
there for existing installations but there will be no major new development or 
regular releases.
We are happy to merge pull requests though.

For new deployments we recommend using 
confluent<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/xcat2/confluent__;!!DZ3fjg!4r59aVCvn4jsWNCCrHAh6xyrgu5mx6BI9J0SxQ-d0TGtijvuu86F-dHJdhhvulngQh7UVfY6X1ZJUe-x7E-_IdZDBVg$>
 instead.


​Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards


Markus Hilger



HPC Engineer



MEGWARE Computer Vertrieb und Service GmbH

Tel:          +49 3722 528-47



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________________________________
Von: Glick, Bill <bgl...@illinois.edu<mailto:bgl...@illinois.edu>>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2024 18:13
An: xCAT Users Mailing list 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>; 
Markus Hilger <markus.hil...@megware.com<mailto:markus.hil...@megware.com>>
Betreff: Re: xCAT Consortium Update


Any news or updates regarding the xCAT Consortium?

Did discussion move to some new place? Or are we to presume the xCAT Consortium 
is defunct?



- Bill Glick



From: Glick, Bill <bgl...@illinois.edu<mailto:bgl...@illinois.edu>>
Date: Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 10:33 AM
To: xCAT Users Mailing list 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: Re: [xcat-user] xCAT Consortium Update

How is the xCAT Consortium effort going?

I had the impression we’d hear approximately monthly updates about its 
progress, but I haven’t seen any updates since this message in December.



- Bill Glick





From: Markus Hilger 
<markus.hil...@megware.com<mailto:markus.hil...@megware.com>>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:07 AM
To: xCAT Users Mailing list 
<xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:xcat-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: [xcat-user] xCAT Consortium Update

Dear xCAT community,



it is one month ago, since we met at Supercomputing ’23 to announce that a 
consortium led by RedLine, OCF and MEGWARE is willing to take over the 
ownership of the current xCAT project to provide continuity for existing xCAT 2 
based clusters. And we are still thrilled having seen so many of you during 
this event who have shown their interest and support, both in presence and 
online.



On the technical side, we have started to dive into the IBM-internal 
integration setup for compiling and testing xCAT releases. Our goal is to 
replicate and extend this infrastructure at RedLine, OCF and MEGWARE to provide 
even wider test coverage on more hardware infrastructures for future releases. 
At the same time, we continue to investigate the various legal aspects of the 
transition.



During our SC’23 meeting, we have also announced that in addition to our 
efforts surrounding xCAT 2, we would work with LENOVO towards making Confluent 
a suitable, community backed, xCAT 2 replacement for future cluster systems. 
For this reason, we invited LENOVO to become a full member of our consortium 
from the beginning. Understandably, this plan is a significant step for the 
Confluent team that requires thorough preparation and careful consideration and 
we will share further updates as this effort takes shape.



We would also like to take this opportunity to thank the team at IBM, namely 
Nathan A Besaw, for their continued support during the transition.





​Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards



Markus Hilger



HPC Engineer



MEGWARE Computer Vertrieb und Service GmbH

Tel:          +49 3722 528-47



Nordstraße 19

markus.hil...@megware.com<mailto:markus.hil...@megware.com>



09247 Chemnitz-Röhrsdorf, Germany

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