Hi,
I was thinking about a UI where I would need NO set up of AAT target during
the flight. I think XCSoar could visualize ranges instead of optimized
points and make the whole target point dragging unecessary. Let me explain
on one of the situations you wan't to avoid while flying AAT task.
Finnishing too early
When flying in a AAT area (turnpoint) I frequently find myself doing this
analysis: the weather here is quite bad but can I turn now, provided I want
to use remaining areas to their maximum? Did I already reach this tipping
point? To find out, using current UI, I have to move all of the remainging
AAT targets to +100% and see what happens to the automatically optimized
target in current area. If I'm past the point, I'm safe to turn now. But if
I didn't reach it yeat, I HAVE to struggle with the weather and try to
achieve a couple of more kilometers here. I'm in what I would call a dead
region of the area. No competitor wants to turn in this region and head
towards the next turnpoint, inevitably finishing too soon. This dead region
should be visualized differently (completely transparent) than the rest of
the area.
I think this proposal is not controversial and would hope that it's also not
difficult to implement. And it would allow me not to touch AAT targets
settings in 80% of my flights and I would be finnishing right on time every
time I correctly set-up the MC value :-). What do you think?
Tibor
P.S.: Of course, on the far side of the current area there is the other dead
region. The one that doesn't allow you to finnish on time even if you only
TOUCH all of the remaining areas.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:19, Rob Dunning
<r...@raspberryridgesheepfarm.com>wrote:
> For AAT's if you long-click on the AAT area, the Target dialog opens
> and the Target can be locked and dragged. That's the good news.
>
> The bad news is:
> 1) nobody knows that you can shortcut to the "draggable" AAT Target
> state by long-clicking the AAT area
> 2) once the Target dialog appears, nobody knows that if you click
> "Lock" you can then drag the Target. The whole "Lock/Unlock" should
> probably be replaced with a single "Optimize" button. And, if you
> drag the item, it should go not require that you "unlock it". For
> non-touch screens, we'll still need the "Optimize / Lock" toggle.
>
> It's a classic interface that is not very usable. To correct it by
> building on what is already "standard xcsoar interface."
>
> Possible improvements:
> * long-clicking on the painted areas in the map (Airspace and AAT
> areas) is already "standard xcsoar interface." How do we make this
> easier to know?
> * we can remove the need to "lock" the AAT target if the user
> actually drags the target (we can lock it automatically)
> * create a flag in Configuration for "touchscreen" interface. This
> would hide certain the non-touchscreen requirements (e.g. the Lock
> button and the Radial and Range buttons in the AAT Target interface)
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> At 03:04 AM 7/26/2011, Bernie Baer wrote:
> >Thanks for that Rob, I need to revisit the manual!
> >The most perfect implementation (IMO) would be to add an extra
> >InfoBox option to /Config/Setup System pages 19 (Infobox Pages) and
> >20 (InfoBox Modes).
> >In addition to Circling, Cruise and Final Glide we need another:
> >'AAT' and when selected (by swiping from the main page) the
> >turnpoints need to be draggable
> >within the prescibed AAT areas. The Target and Task Editor pages are
> >cluttered and not easily accessed; when flying AAT's in a
> >competition we don't want to be looking in the cockpit tap-tap-tapping
> away.
> >
> >At the moment is it possible to set up an AUX page that contains all
> >the InfoBoxes required, but if the TP's were draggable (and the
> >InfoBoxes were then updated accordingly) it would be much better.
> >
> >Regards, Bernie.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:r...@raspberryridgesheepfarm.com>rob
> >To: <mailto:bb...@internode.on.net>Bernie Baer ;
> ><mailto:xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> >Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:00 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] AAT tasks; Function keys
> >
> >The "T" gesture (right, down) brings up the task editor. We're
> >working on a help system to make that more clear. Thoughts about
> >gestures, function keys and customizations?
> >
> >Rob
> >
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> >
> >
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: Bernie Baer <<mailto:bb...@internode.on.net>bb...@internode.on.net>
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> >Subject: [Xcsoar-user] AAT tasks; Function keys
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