I totally agree with Turbo, let's think laterally. And I propose to do so in terms of use cases. Gents, please describe the way you would indeed use such a feature (in detail). I am willing to collect them and to describe all congruencies of the requirements and we can try to build a decent and versatile feature.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: xcsoar-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:xcsoar-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 03:07 An: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net Betreff: Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 79, Issue 8 Send Xcsoar-user mailing list submissions to xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to xcsoar-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at xcsoar-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Xcsoar-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? (Tobias Bieniek) 2. Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? (Alan Wilson) 3. Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? (Ramy Yanetz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:04:12 +0100 From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? To: Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> Cc: "xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net" <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <cabeoetny992v65qw4yxy_juvwbseyptoasmjbahftyfo7wy...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and why do you want to restrict that on Alternates? why not the last thermal? why not your teammate via Flarm or teamcode? why not your home airport? I think if we do this we should do it right and make it flexible to account for these things too. But as I said, I have no idea yet how... Maybe when you click on the "Next Waypoint" infobox a dialog could open that let's you choose your target or something like that. Time for brain storming :) Turbo 2013/1/14 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>: > Hey all ! > > I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability. > > Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport, > Waypoint Screens). > For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself > (from Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) and have the basic > infoboxes available for them (Distance, Heading to / Bearing from, > Arrival Alt, GR required) > > Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an > eye on one or two specific alternates. > The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default > until the pilot explicitly selects an alternate. > > Greets Henrik > > PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just > need an Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox. > > > > > Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp: >> Hi Turbo, >> >> I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling >> status on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim. >> In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in >> what form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or >> <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept >> for you ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management). >> >> Keep me posted, Turbo. >> >> Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ? >> >> Cheers Horst >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de] >> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48 >> An: Horst Rupp >> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart >> Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? >> >> I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say >> that I'm starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past >> and my glider now has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those >> devices you have an airport-, a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different target. >> At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also >> doing with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't >> quite as easy in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that... >> >> I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to >> do this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over >> reading several pages of text BTW ;) >> >> Turbo >> >> >> 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>: >>> Hi Turbo, Robert, >>> >>> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which >>> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements >>> sketched by Robert. >>> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide >>> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on >>> this channel. >>> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only >>> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature. >>> >>> Horst Rupp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100 >>>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> >>>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a >>>> task? >>>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au> >>>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that >>>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though >>>> what you want is something more like what the LX devices do with >>>> their separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right? >>>> >>>> Turbo >>>> >>>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>: >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps. >>>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have >>>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point >>>>> without having to abort the task to do so. >>>>> >>>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable >>>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you >>>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing >>>>> on task. I used to do this with my old Cambridge Nav system. >>>>> >>>>> What do others think of this idea? >>>>> >>>>> -- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, >> HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your >> skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials >> by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn >> more at: >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 >> _______________________________________________ >> Xcsoar-user mailing list >> Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, > HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your > skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials > by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn > more at: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 > _______________________________________________ > Xcsoar-user mailing list > Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:34:29 +1100 From: "Alan Wilson" <a...@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? To: "'Henrik Bieler'" <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <008e01cdf2af$b2dba4b0$1892ee10$@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also support the idea of a selectable alternate 'box' giving ATC Position reports data. We just need an "Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom" Infobox. In fact the discussion sounds similar to a discussion some months back as below. This may help in defining the specification for the box. The previous discussion included: -----Original Message----- From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 12 August, 2012 9:39 AM To: 'xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements ~ info box ~ distance and radial from selected airport. Addition to the suggestion below. Glider pilots in Australia are increasingly having to converse with Regular Public Transport aircraft in terms that RPT's understand. Several smaller airlines that operate in G airspace in Australia are challenging gliders lack of aids particularly SSR. These RPT's understand distance and direction/radial from their destinations [only] so it would be useful to have a selectable information box that shows distance in nautical miles and bearing/radial from RPT destination. In my case that is Cooma NSW but it could be Canberra, Temora, Wagga, Dubbo etc. [I now understand that the Gliding Federation of Australia has given an undertaking that gliders will monitor CTAF radio frequency of RPT airports so position information can be given] So my suggestion is for an information box that readily shows distance in nautical miles and radial from selectable airports in the XCSoar data base so glider pilots can readily give accurate position information to powered aircraft. Alan Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 08 August, 2012 3:41 PM To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements Not sure of the intent of this subject, but I have spent too much radio time listening to pilots on long tasks trying to pass on their location. Particularly Corowa visitors probably 300 km NW of Corowa. Radio chatter takes many minutes in several languages. My suggestion is for an XCSoar data box giving bearing and distance from a selectable waypoint [that is not necessarily the task's next turnpoint. viz., Condo 240/36km [from Condoblin]. Then they could agree the reference from time to time and then radio their position in the above simple terms from that point. This function looks similar to 'alternate 1' but I have not figured out the specifics yet. Or it may be in Team modes? If there is this functionality in XCSoar somewhere, my apologies but I have not found it. Keep up the good work. Alan Wilson Canberra Australia -----Original Message----- From: Henrik Bieler [mailto:henrik.bie...@gmx.de] Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2013 9:55 AM To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? Hey all ! I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability. Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport, Waypoint Screens). For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself (from Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) and have the basic infoboxes available for them (Distance, Heading to / Bearing from, Arrival Alt, GR required) Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an eye on one or two specific alternates. The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default until the pilot explicitly selects an alternate. Greets Henrik PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just need an Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox. Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp: > Hi Turbo, > > I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling > status on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim. > In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in > what form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or > <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept > for you > ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management). > > Keep me posted, Turbo. > > Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ? > > Cheers Horst > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de] > Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48 > An: Horst Rupp > Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart > Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? > > I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say that > I'm starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past and my > glider now > has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those devices you have an airport-, > a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different target. > At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also doing > with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't quite > as easy > in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that... > > I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to > do this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over > reading several pages of text BTW ;) > > Turbo > > > 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>: >> Hi Turbo, Robert, >> >> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which >> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements >> sketched by Robert. >> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide >> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on >> this channel. >> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only >> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature. >> >> Horst Rupp >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100 >>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> >>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a >>> task? >>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au> >>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that >>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though what >>> you want is something more like what the LX devices do with their >>> separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right? >>> >>> Turbo >>> >>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps. >>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have >>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point >>>> without having to abort the task to do so. >>>> >>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable >>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you >>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing >>>> on task. I used to do this with my old Cambridge Nav system. >>>> >>>> What do others think of this idea? >>>> >>>> -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, > MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills > current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by > Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 > _______________________________________________ > Xcsoar-user mailing list > Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 _______________________________________________ Xcsoar-user mailing list Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:54:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? To: Alan Wilson <a...@ozemail.com.au>, 'Henrik Bieler' <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> Cc: "xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net" <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <1358214845.49125.yahoomail...@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am also supporting the idea of selectable alternates. if the whole request is too complicated to implement, at the minimum, just making the alternates selectable and frozen instead of automatically selectable and keep changing, will be a great enhancement. As was suggested, the default behavior can remain the same (so not to have negative impact on anyone) but once the user selects an alternate it will remain frozen. Perhaps the original request can be broken down to multiple enhancements to increase the chance that the easiest one will be implemented in the up coming release? Thanks, Ramy >________________________________ > From: Alan Wilson <a...@ozemail.com.au> >To: 'Henrik Bieler' <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> >Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? > >I also? support the idea of a selectable alternate 'box' giving ATC >Position reports data. We just need an "Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom" Infobox. > >In fact the discussion? sounds similar to a discussion some months back >as below. This may help in defining the specification for the box. > >The previous discussion included: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au] >Sent: Sunday, 12 August, 2012 9:39 AM >To: 'xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net' >Subject: RE: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements ~ info >box ~ distance and radial from selected airport. > >Addition to the suggestion below.? Glider pilots in Australia are >increasingly having to converse with Regular Public Transport aircraft >in terms that RPT's understand.? Several smaller airlines that operate >in G airspace in Australia are challenging gliders lack of aids particularly SSR. >These RPT's understand distance and direction/radial from their >destinations [only] so it would be useful to have a selectable >information box that shows distance in nautical miles and >bearing/radial from RPT destination.? In my case that is Cooma NSW but it could be Canberra, Temora, Wagga, Dubbo etc. >[I now understand that the Gliding Federation of Australia has given an >undertaking that gliders will monitor CTAF radio frequency of RPT >airports so position information can be given] > >So my suggestion is for an information box that readily shows distance >in nautical miles and radial from selectable airports in the XCSoar >data base so glider pilots can readily give accurate position >information to powered aircraft. > >Alan Wilson > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, 08 August, 2012 3:41 PM >To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements > >Not sure of the intent of this? subject, but > >I have spent too much radio time listening to pilots on long tasks >trying to pass on their location.? Particularly Corowa visitors >probably 300 km NW of Corowa.? Radio chatter takes many? minutes in several languages. > >My suggestion is for an XCSoar? data box giving bearing and distance >from a selectable waypoint [that is not necessarily the task's next turnpoint. >viz., Condo 240/36km [from Condoblin].? Then they could agree the >reference from time to time and then radio their position in the above >simple terms from that point. > >This function looks similar to 'alternate 1' but I have not figured out >the specifics yet.? Or it may be in Team modes? > >If there is this functionality in XCSoar somewhere, my apologies but? I >have not found it. > >Keep up the good work. > >Alan Wilson >Canberra? Australia > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Henrik Bieler [mailto:henrik.bie...@gmx.de] >Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2013 9:55 AM >To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task? > >Hey all ! > >I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability. > >Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport, >Waypoint Screens). >For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself >(from Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) and have the basic infoboxes >available for them (Distance, Heading to / Bearing from, Arrival Alt, >GR required) > >Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an >eye on one or two specific alternates. >The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default until >the pilot explicitly selects an alternate. > >Greets Henrik > >PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just >need an Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox. > > > > >Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp: >> Hi Turbo, >> >> I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling >> status on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim. >> In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in >> what form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or >> <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept >> for >you >> ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management). >> >> Keep me posted, Turbo. >> >> Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ? >> >> Cheers Horst >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de] >> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48 >> An: Horst Rupp >> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart >> Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? >> >> I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say >> that I'm starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past >> and my glider >now >> has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those devices you have an >airport-, >> a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different >target. >> At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also >doing >> with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't quite >> as >easy >> in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that... >> >> I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to >> do this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over >> reading several pages of text BTW ;) >> >> Turbo >> >> >> 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>: >>> Hi Turbo, Robert, >>> >>> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which >>> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements >>> sketched by Robert. >>> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide >>> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on >>> this channel. >>> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only >>> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature. >>> >>> Horst Rupp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100 >>>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> >>>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a >>>>? ? ? ? ? task? >>>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au> >>>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that >>>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though >>>> what you want is something more like what the LX devices do with >>>> their separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right? >>>> >>>> Turbo >>>> >>>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>: >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps. >>>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have >>>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point >>>>> without having to abort the task to do so. >>>>> >>>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable >>>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you >>>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing >>>>> on task. I used to do this with my old Cambridge Nav system. >>>>> >>>>> What do others think of this idea? >>>>> >>>>> -- >> >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >-- >> Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, >> MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills >> current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by >> Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412 >> _______________________________________________ >> Xcsoar-user mailing list >> Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xcsoar-user >> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >-- >Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, >MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. 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