The probes, simply give a variable voltage, dependant on airspeed, thus
self calbration would be easy for an end user through set points.
The jack on a phone (and those seen on PDA's is just a line in, most apps
can read this, without low level access??
I'd absolutely love to contribute, & I have good skills in VBA, if are
these of use?
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> 2. ASI for android devices (Miles Hockliffe)
> 3. Re: Proposal how XCS could handle multiple Navigation Targets
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> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:14:39 +0100
> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Proposal how XCS could handle multiple
> Navigation Targets
> To: Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>
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> Thanks for the summary. That is exactly the kind of stuff that
> non-programmers can do to decrease our workload :)
>
> Turbo
> Am 19.01.2013 18:59 schrieb "Henrik Bieler" <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>:
>
> > So let me try to pull together and visualize the status quo and the
> > suggestions we had so far.If I forgot yours just add it.
> > (You need to use fixed-width-font in your mail-client so the following
> > does not look messed up)
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Status quo (this is how xcs behaves now):
> >
> > goto resume
> > TASK-Mode ------------> Goto-Mode----------> TASK-Mode
> > TASK-Mode ------------> Abort-Mode ----------> TASK-Mode
> > abort task resume
> >
> > ALT1 and ALT2 ----> autoselected by xcs
> >
> > Navigation only in one mode EITHER of TASK or GOTO or ABORT.
> > Only few Infoboxes to show info of ALT1 and ALT2
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Pilot selectable ALT1 and ALT2 (suggestion Robert and others)
> >
> > goto resume
> > TASK-Mode ------------> Goto-Mode----------> TASK-Mode
> > TASK-Mode ------------> Abort-Mode ----------> TASK-Mode
> > abort task resume
> >
> > ALT1 and ALT2 pilot selectable to Fields, Waypoints (and markers).
> > Add more Infoboxes for ALT1 and ALT2 data.
> > Primary Navigation like status quo. ALT1/ALT2 data in additional
> infoboxes.
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> > T,1,2 Modes
> >
> > cycle cycle cycle
> > TASK-Mode------>NAV1-Mode-------->NAV2-Mode------> TASK-Mode
> >
> >
> > any mode ------>NAV1-Mode(goto target set)
> > goto
> >
> >
> > NAV1 and NAV2 can be assigned with any position which can be navigated
> to.
> > Alternate fields, Markers, (Team Postion, Thermal position...)
> >
> > The primary Navigation Focus lies on the active mode.
> > Hence quick switching to the two "preselects" on NAV1 or NAV2 is
> possible.
> >
> > Navigation data of non-active modes can be displayed in additional info
> > boxes for monitoring.
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> > Ultimately it will be the developers who decide if (or when) an
> > enhancement will take place.
> > I agree with the others in the point that any of the suggested options
> > would be an improvement.
> >
> > The pros of the pilot selectable ALT1/2 suggestion are:
> > - integrates good with xcs-status-quo
> > - no UI change
> > - no additional screen element
> > - less code changes
> >
> > The pros of the T,1,2 suggestion are
> > - high flexibility
> > - fast switching of primary navigation once you decide to divert
> > - makes status quo Goto-Mode and Abort-Mode (and therefore also
> > Resume-Task action) obsolete
> > - makes integration of future addons easy
> >
> >
> > I don't recall the whole thread anymore, so if I missed a whole concept
> > or something else important just add it but try to keep it short.
> > If we have the collection complete I will attach it to Horsts Ticket so
> > the devs have all the information in one place if they decide to work on
> > it.
> >
> >
> > Greets Henrik
> >
> >
> > Am 19.01.2013 09:02, schrieb Robert Hart:
> > > Well
> > >
> > > I didn't expect my original email to generate so much traffic! I have
> > > been reading all the email but as I'm flying in a comp I really didn't
> > > have time to contribute until now.
> > >
> > > There have been heaps of good ideas. What I'd like to do now is to try
> > > to restate my initial thoughts in the light of all that has been
> > > contributed.
> > >
> > > The "problem" - XCSoar does not allow navigation to more than one point
> > > to occur simultaneously. Frequently this ability is useful and on
> > > occasions (crossing unlandable ground) it is of considerable safety
> > > importance. Furthermore, selecting another way point to monitor should
> > > not destroy task information.
> > >
> > > There have been a number of solutions offered, but at this point I
> think
> > > it's important to make sure that any implemented solution does not
> > > greatly change the UI (as this will confuse users) nor should the
> > > solution impose significant recoding from our hardworking, volunteer
> > > developers.
> > >
> > > With this in mind, the solution that seems simplest is to create boxes
> > > for two additional (non task) nav points. The boxes (and their info)
> > > could be displayed anywhere, just as the existing boxes and their info
> > > are currently. I anticipate that I would then set up two additional
> > > pages per point mimicking my 'cruise' and 'circling' pages to allow me
> > > to monitor these two additional nav points. This seems to be simpler to
> > > use (and I hope code) than imposing "modes".
> > >
> > > It has occurred to me that having a command that 'drops a point' on to
> > > the terrain below AND allocates it to one of the two new nav points
> > > would be useful. Using this command, one could tag a landable point and
> > > set up monitoring to it very simply as one then proceeds across
> > > unlandable terrain.
> > >
> > > The only other thing that occurs to me is that dropped points should be
> > > allocate the surface elevation, not the glider's elevation (as occurred
> > > in the old Cambridge GPS nav "thermal marker")!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> From: Miles Hockliffe <miles.hockli...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Xcsoar-user] ASI for android devices
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> loads of people are now using XCSoar on android for HG & PG, the one device
> that is missing is an ASI, however 7mm jack plug asi's are readily
> available, all phone (and many other PDA's etc) have a jack / mic input /
> line in. could any developers marry yhe two together to give us the
> "complete" flying instrument?
>
>
> carpe ventum
>
> Miles
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> From: Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Proposal how XCS could handle multiple
> Navigation Targets
> To: Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>
> Cc: "xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net"
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> Regarding: "ALT1 and ALT2 pilot selectable to Fields, Waypoints (and
> markers)" - we should consider providing the capability to mark any point
> on the map (not just current location). This will serve 2 purposes:
> 1- marking a landable field which may not be directly below you (or you
> passed it already and now decide to mark it).
> 2- being able to create a new waypoint on the fly and add it to the task.
> This can be very helpful when creating new task in simulator mode without
> having access to desktop. See #1568.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ramy
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > ALT1 and ALT2 pilot selectable to Fields, Waypoints (and markers).
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:35:40 +0100
> From: Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Proposal how XCS could handle multiple
> Navigation Targets
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> Hey Ramy,
>
> your proposal sounds good to me. However I think it is not directly
> related to the design of multiple waypoint navigation.
> It is just a new type of marker. You could also call it temporary
> turnpoint.
> It makes no differece if you navigate there or monitor it using
> ALT1/ALT2 or T,1,2 solution.
>
> I think we should try to split up the requests in seperate tickets so it
> does not get to complicated.
> If you put your request in a ticket we can put a referece to it, as one
> of the potential uses of multiple turnpoint navigation.
>
> greets
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 20.01.2013 07:38, schrieb Ramy Yanetz:
> > Regarding: "ALT1 and ALT2 pilot selectable to Fields, Waypoints (and
> markers)" - we should consider providing the capability to mark any point
> on the map (not just current location). This will serve 2 purposes:
> > 1- marking a landable field which may not be directly below you (or you
> passed it already and now decide to mark it).
> > 2- being able to create a new waypoint on the fly and add it to the
> task. This can be very helpful when creating new task in simulator mode
> without having access to desktop. See #1568.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ramy
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >> ALT1 and ALT2 pilot selectable to Fields, Waypoints (and markers).
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:58:22 +0100
> From: Folken <fol...@kabelsalat.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] ASI for android devices
> To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 07:09:29PM +0000, Miles Hockliffe wrote:
> > loads of people are now using XCSoar on android for HG & PG, the one
> device
> > that is missing is an ASI, however 7mm jack plug asi's are readily
> > available, all phone (and many other PDA's etc) have a jack / mic input /
> > line in. could any developers marry yhe two together to give us the
> > "complete" flying instrument?
>
> I believe there is the compass c-probe that should provide a host of
> sensors including airspeed. Its supported by xcsoar.
>
> I had a quick look at the probes you are talking about:
>
> https://www.paraglidingnewyork.com/store/paragliding-airspeed-sensor-p-131.html?osCsid=260ldmh9oha00nstjllj6i7311
>
> They seem to plug into existing PG/HG sensor platforms such as the
> braueniger/Aircotec/etc... While the plug may fit into a phone, i'm very
> unsure of how they work electrically. Please don't assume just because
> the plug fits that it should work with any phone. Seeing that each of
> these sensors only work with specific devices, i think its safe to
> assume that there is no standard.
>
> In addition I don't think android allows that low level access to the
> phonejack.
>
> There might be a possiblity to reverse-engineer these things and hook
> them to an IO/IO Board.
>
> But then again all this is work. And xcsoar is chronically short on
> manpower. Please feel free to join the development effort and start
> experimenting. :)
>
> - Folken
>
>
>
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