On 10/11/16 13:17 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
<konrad.w...@oracle.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:28:56PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
<konrad.w...@oracle.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:51:19AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> Right, but why does the libnvdimm core need to know about this
>> specific Xen reservation?  For example, if Xen wants some in-kernel
> Let me turn this around - why does the libnvdimm core need to know about
> Linux specific parts? Shouldn't this be OS agnostic, so that FreeBSD
> for example can also poke a hole in this and fill it with its
> OS-management meta-data?

Specifically the core needs to know so that it can answer the Linux
specific question of whether the pfn returned by ->direct_access() has
a corresponding struct page or not. It's tied to the lifetime of the
device and the usage of the reservation needs to be coordinated
against the references of those pages.  If FreeBSD decides it needs to
reserve "struct page" capacity at the start of the device, I would
hope that it reuses the same on-device info block that Linux is using
and not create a new "FreeBSD-mode" device type.

The issue here (as I understand, I may be missing something new)
is that the size of this special namespace may be different. That is
the 'struct page' on FreeBSD could be 256 bytes while on Linux it is
64 bytes (numbers pulled out of the sky).

Hence one would have to expand or such to re-use this.

Sure, but we could support that today.  If FreeBSD lays down the info
block it is free to make a bigger reservation and Linux would be happy
to use a smaller subset.  If we, as an industry, want this "struct
page" reservation to be common we can take it to a standards body to
make as a cross-OS guarantee... but I think this is separate from the
Xen reservation.

To be honest I do not yet understand what metadata Xen wants to store
in the device, but it seems the producer and consumer of that metadata
is Xen itself and not the wider Linux kernel as is the case with
struct page.  Can you fill me in on what problem Xen solves with this


The same as Linux - its variant of 'struct page'. Which I think is
smaller than the Linux one, but perhaps it is not?

If the hypervisor needs to know where it can store some metadata, can
that be satisfied with userspace tooling in Dom0? Something like,
"/dev/pmem0p1 == Xen metadata" and "/dev/pmem0p2 == DAX filesystem
with files to hand to guests".  So my question is not about the
rationale for having metadata, it's why does the Linux kernel need to
know about the Xen reservation? As far as I can see it is independent
/ opaque to the kernel.

Thank everyone for all these comments!

How about doing the reservation in the following way:

1. Create partition(s) on /dev/pmemX and make sure space besides the
  partition table and potential padding before the first partition is
  large enough to hold Xen's management structures and a super block
  introduced in step 2. The space besides the partition table,
  padding and the super block will be used as the reserved area.

2. Write a super block before above reserved area. The super block
  records the base address and the size of the reserved area. It also
  contains a signature and a checksum to identify itself.

The layout is shown as the following diagram.

| whatever used | Partition | Super | Reserved | /dev/pmem0p1 |
|  by kernel    |   Table   | Block | for Xen  |              |
               \_____________________ _______________________/

Above two steps can be done via a userspace program and do not need
Xen hypervisor running. The partitions on the device can be used
regardless of the existence of Xen hypervisor.

3. When Xen is running, implement a function in Dom0 Linux xen driver
  (drivers/xen/) to response to udevd events that notify the
  detection of the pmem regions.

  This function searches on the pmem region for the super block
  created in step 2. If one is found, it will know this pmem region
  has been prepared for Xen usage.

  Then it gets the base address and size of the reserved area (from
  super block) and the entire address ranges of the pmem region (from
  pmem driver), and reports them to Xen hypervisor.

The implementation of this step can be completely included in the
kernel Xen driver. (It may also be implemented as a udevd service in
userspace, if it's not considered as unsafe)


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