On 05/12/2023 11:42, Julien Grall wrote:
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> On 05/12/2023 10:30, Michal Orzel wrote:
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>> On 05/12/2023 11:01, Julien Grall wrote:
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>>> On 05/12/2023 09:28, Michal Orzel wrote:
>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2023 20:55, Julien Grall wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/12/2023 13:02, Ayan Kumar Halder wrote:
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>>>>>> On 04/12/2023 10:31, Julien Grall wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Ayan,
>>>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/12/2023 18:50, Ayan Kumar Halder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Currently if user enables HVC_DCC config option in Linux, it invokes
>>>>>>>> access to debug data transfer registers (ie DBGDTRTX_EL0 on arm64,
>>>>>>>> DBGDTRTXINT on arm32). As these registers are not emulated, Xen injects
>>>>>>>> an undefined exception to the guest. And Linux crashes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am missing some data points here to be able to say whether I would
>>>>>>> be ok with emulating the registers. So some questions:
>>>>>>> * As you wrote below, HVC_DCC will return -ENODEV after this
>>>>>>> emulation. So may I ask what's the use case to enable it? (e.g. is
>>>>>>> there a distro turning this on?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not aware of any distro using (or not using) this feature. This
>>>>>> issue came to light during our internal testing, when HVC_DCC was
>>>>>> enabled to use the debug console. When Linux runs without Xen, then we
>>>>>> could observe the logs on the debug console. When Linux was running as a
>>>>>> VM, it crashed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My intention here was to do the bare minimum emulation so that the crash
>>>>>> could be avoided.
>>>>> This reminds me a bit the discussion around "xen/arm64: Decode ldr/str
>>>>> post increment operations". I don't want Xen to contain half-backed
>>>>> emulation just to please an OS in certain configuration that doesn't
>>>>> seem to be often used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, AFAICT, KVM is in the same situation...
>>>> Well, KVM is not in the same situation. It emulates all DCC regs as
>>>> RAZ/WI, so there
>>>> will be no fault on an attempt to access the DCC.
>>>
>>> Does this mean a guest will think the JTAG is availabe?
>> Yes, it will believe the DCC is available which is not a totally bad idea.
>> Yes, it will not have
>> any effect but at least covers the polling loop. The solution proposed here
>> sounds better but does not take
>> into account the busy while loop when sending the char. Linux DCC earlycon
>> does not make an initial check that runtime
>> driver does and will keep waiting in the loop if TXfull is set. Emulating
>> everything as RAZ/WI solves that.
>> As you can see, each solution has its flaws and depends on the OS
>> implementation.
>
> Right, which prove my earlier point. You are providing an emulation just
> to please a specific driver in Linux (not even the whole Linux). This is
> what I was the most concern of.
>
> So ...
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>>>> In general, I think that if a register is not optional and does not depend
>>>> on other register
>>>> to be checked first (e.g. a feature/control register we emulate), which
>>>> implies that it is fully ok for a guest to
>>>> access it directly - we should at least try to do something not to crash a
>>>> guest.
>>>
>>> This is where we have opposing opinion. I view crashing a guest better
>>> than providing a wrong emulation because it gives a clear signal that
>>> the register they are trying to access will not function properly.
>>>
>>> We had this exact same discussion a few years ago when Linux started to
>>> access GIC*_ACTIVER registers. I know that Stefano was for emulating
>>> them as RAZ but this had consequences on the domain side (Linux
>>> sometimes need to read them). We settled on printing a warning which is
>>> not great but better than claiming we properly emulate the register.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree that this feature is not widely used. In fact I can only find it
>>>> implemented in Linux and U-BOOT
>>>> and the issue I found in DBGDSCRINT (no access from EL0, even though we
>>>> emulate REXT.UDCCdis as 0) only
>>>> proves that. At the same time, it does not cost us much to add this
>>>> trivial support.
>>>
>>> See above. If we provide an (even basic) emulation, we need to make sure
>>> it is correct and doesn't have a side effect on the guest. If we can't
>>> guarantee that (e.g. like for set/way when a device is assigned), then
>>> the best course of action is to crash the domain.
>>>
>>> AFAICT, the proposed emulation would be ok.
>
> ... I will need to revise this statement. I am now against this patch.
Yes, the problem was tricky from the very beginning and I somewhat agree. I
prepared a POC with one solution
that Ayan extended and sent to gather feedback (hence RFC). I think we should
still wait for others
opinion (@Stefano, @Bertrand). I think the thread contains all the necessary
information
to decide what to do:
- do nothing* (guest crashes)
- emulate DCC the same way as KVM i.e. RAZ/WI (no crash, no busy loop, guest
keeps using DCC with no effect)
- emulate DCC with TXfull set to 1 (no crash, runtime DCC in Linux returns
-ENODEV, earlycon busy loop issue)
* I still think we should fix DBGDSCRINT but I can send a separate patch (not
really related to the DCC problem)
~Michal
