This is still too confusing. Why don't all XML-related Java projects
agree to use a single, common JAR file that contains the various XML
interfaces?

On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 17:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Though I don't think there's been any public feedback to this query, I've
> had a couple of private responses.  Based on this feedback, here's what I
> plan to do; I'll make the changes on Friday if I hear no objection.
> 
> 1.  Remove all files in our CVS repository from the following packages,
> except for org/w3c/dom/html/HTMLDOMImplementation.java, which is unique to
> Xerces.
> 
>       - org/xml/sax/(*,ext/*,helpers/*)
>       - org/w3c/dom/(*,events/*,html/*,ranges/*,traversal/*)
>       - javax/xml/parsers/*
> 
> 2.  Update the xml-apis.jar we currently have in CVS so that it reflects
> the current state of the TCK-compliant branch of commons;
> 
> 3.  Add a copy of the xml-apis--src.tar.gz from the TCK-compliant branch of
> xml-commons into our tools directory;
> 
> 4.  Cleverly modify our binary distribution target so that:
>       - xml-apis.jar is copied into our binary distribution,
>       - xmlParserAPIs.jar is created by copying xml-apis.jar to a file by
> that name,
>       - the commons sources are used to create appropriate javadocs for the
> interfaces we support (that is, javax.xml.parsers, org.w3c.dom,
> org.w3c.dom.(events, html, ranges, traversal), and org.xml.sax.*;
> 5. Modify the source target so that it contains sources for the API's that
> we support (as in 4. above);
> 6.  Modify the tools target so that it contains a copy of
> xml-apis--src.tar.gz.
> 
> How does that sound to people? Have I forgotten anything?
> 
> Cheers,
> Neil
> Neil Graham
> XML Parser Development
> IBM Toronto Lab
> Phone:  905-413-3519, T/L 969-3519
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Here's Hoping that everyone enjoyed the holidays!  Dunno about anyone else,
> but they certainly seem to me to have passed by very quickly....
> 
> Anyway:  for quite a while many folks in this and the broader Apache
> community have been mulling how to keep related projects in lock-step viz.
> the API's they rely upon.  This was the idea behind xml-commons and our API
> vs. implementation jar split, and it's one that's supported by many
> spurious bug reports having to do with idiosyncratic (or even
> not-so-idiosyncratic) user classpath settings.
> 
> At long last, there exists a branch (tck-jaxp-1_2_0) in xml-commons that
> contains a set of API's that are compatible (that is, JAXP 1.2
> TCK-compliant) with those we currently carry in our CVS tree.  It seems
> that there will be a commons release soon that contains the product of this
> branch, and I have it that Xalan is planning to pick the product of this
> release up and incorporate it in its codebase.
> 
> For stable API's that we are currently required to implement completely
> (that is, SAX 2.0, DOM core level 2, and JAXP 1.2), it seems to make
> overwhelming sense that we figure out how to leverage this code directly
> rather than continuing to maintain an entirely separate repository.  This
> way, we and Xalan--and any other Apache projects that are required to
> implement these API's without any deviations--are guaranteed to be on
> precisely the same page with respect to API's, and will all move forward
> together as the pertinent standards evolve.
> 
> The trouble is it's not entirely obvious how to do this and remain true to
> the philosophy that has led us to insist on building against API source and
> distribute precisely those API's that we implement.  I can see 4 options:
> 
> 1.  Do what Xalan does:  take a copy of xml-apis.jar from commons, put it
> in our tools directly, and treat it in the same way we treat the rest of
> our tools.
> 
> 2.  Go part of the way towards Xalan:  implement a new build target in this
> branch of commons that constructs our familiar xmlParserAPIs.jar, put it
> somewhere and compile against it.
> 
> 3.  Do something vaguely like what we do now:  implement a new build target
> in the new branch of commons that tars (or zips) up the source files we
> need for our xmlParserAPIs.jar, put that tarball somewhere and modify our
> build scripts to untar it so that we can compile against it and produce
> xmlParserAPIs.jar.
> 
> 4.  Do something much like we do now:  Implement a CVS task that extracts
> the relevant portions of the relevant branch of commons whenever we need
> them.  This has the drawback that it requires CVS to be implemented on the
> platform we're being built upon; this might seem a bit of a strict
> requirement for a project that distributes a tools distribution it's
> supposed to be compiled with.
> 
> Assuming the present situation isn't tenable, these are all the options I
> can think of for moving forward.  At this moment I'd probably find option 3
> most pallattable personally, but I'm hoping others might have better
> ideas...
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Cheers,
> Neil
> Neil Graham
> XML Parser Development
> IBM Toronto Lab
> Phone:  905-413-3519, T/L 969-3519
> E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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