Hello Alan,
Beautiful. Yes, it now works perfectly, and without any errors. Thank you so
much.
Perhaps even more importantly in the long run, I have learnt a bit about making
newcommands for the footnote rules. In order for me to further this education
on my own, where would I have had to look to know about how to write commands
such as:
\makeatletter
\newcommand\lftfootnoterule{\l...@footnoterule}
\newcommand\rtfootnoterule{\ri...@footnoterule}
\newcommand{\SelectAnoteRule}{[1]{rt}}
\makeatother
In the LaTeX Companions 2nd ed? In the TeXBook? In the manyfoot, bigfoot, or
ednotes documentation? It was those commands in particular I knew I had to
define, but I had no idea how (i.e. the form or the content), or how to cause
them to interact with Bidi.
In any case, the practical problem has been solved. Many thanks to both of you,
Alan and Vafa!
Kind regards,
Talal
On 26 Jul 2010, at 05:03, Alan Munn wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 5:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan et al,
>>
>> Thank you for your kind help. You understood perfectly what was required. I
>> used what you mentioned of defining a newcommand for the \l...@footnoterule
>> rule, did the same for a ri...@footnoterule, and have what I needed now. The
>> document is now compiling and being produced as desired. Thank you again.
>>
>> However, it is producing some non-critical errors, and as such, I have a
>> further wrinkle that I'd like to iron out.
>>
>> Because the majority of my document (a doctoral thesis) is left-to-right,
>> and only a certain section is right-to-left (the short critical edition of a
>> text), I do not want the document's footnoterule to universally be changed
>> to RtL. As such:
>> (a) I have not used the proposed " \PrecedeLevelWith{A}{\setRL} " command;
>> (b) in it's stead, I have redefined my variant footnotes of \Anote as
>> follows:
>> \SetFootnoteHook{\setRL}
>> \SelectFootnoteRule[1]{rt}
>> \DeclareNewFootnote[para]{A}[alph]
>>
>> Like I said, this compiles, and the output is visually what I desire, but I
>> get the following error:
>>
>> Later Error: Command \FootnotetextA already defined.
>> Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.
>> ...
>> 1.38 \DeclareNewFootnote[para]{A}[alph]
>>
>> Naturally, I'd rather get no errors; I want to be sure that I am not messing
>> up something else inadvertently.
>>
>> Basically, it appears that XeLaTeX/ednotes is not liking my "declaring"
>> level A of the variant footnote (\Anote), since it is inherently already
>> declared (defined) by ednotes itself when you load it. What should I do to
>> avert this?
>
> Yes, this is the problem I alluded to in my comments as well.
>
>>
>> You also mentioned that the marker could easily be changed not with ednotes,
>> but with manyfoot. Do you mean by this something other than what you've
>> already kindly suggested?
>
> Given the functionality that ednotes provides on top of manyfoot, and my
> ignorance of how critical edition commenting works, I don't think the
> solution I had in mind will work. But reading the ednotes documentation
> (such as it is) more carefully suggests a solution to your problem, (I think).
>
> The trick is to define the RTL rule before loading ednotes, which will then
> use the redefined rule.
>
> In subsequent chapters I assume you won't be using the \Anote commands? If
> that assumption is right, then you just need to change the footnote rule back
> to a left rule for the subsequent chapters.
>
> I've attached another sample document. Hopefully this does everything you
> need.
>
> Alan
>
> <fnotes3.tex>
>
>
>
>>
>> Many thanks once again to all who have helped.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Talal
>>
>> p.s. While Vafa's comments didn't help me solve the problem, it is clear
>> from experimenting with what he said that there is a conflict between bidi
>> and ednotes, either in the latter's calling up the lineno package (since
>> bidi's "fulltextwidth" command didn't work when I invoked lineno in a
>> minimal example file), or with the manyfoot package. These packages probably
>> aren't sufficiently aware of the complexities of bidi, and thus the
>> problems. It is, as Vafa states, probably not bidi's fault, but the conflict
>> exists all the same. Interestingly, bidi's "autofootnoterule" actually does
>> seem to work fine, once you learn (as I did eventually did) that you have to
>> start a \newpage to ensure that the automatic direction is correct on a page
>> in which the text's direction subsequently changes. Nonetheless, it doesn't
>> give the type of granular control I was requesting for each level of
>> ednote's scholarly footnotes, for which I am much grateful to Alan's help
>> above.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Jul 2010, at 18:43, Alan Munn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wafa and Talal,
>>>
>>> Wafa, I'm afraid you've misunderstood Talal's requirements. His problem is
>>> not simply to get a RTL footnote marker; he needs one in the context of
>>> multiple footnote apparatus as supplied by the ednotes/manyfoot package.
>>> This is a requirement for the kind of critical edition that he is writing.
>>>
>>> Talal, I've attached a sample file that I think does most of what you want.
>>> Please note that I don't work with critical editions and the ednotes
>>> package is about the worst documented package I've ever seen, so I don't
>>> really understand much of what the expected output is supposed to be.
>>>
>>> Some comments about what I did:
>>>
>>> It seems that you want the first set of footnotes to be Arabic with a RTL
>>> rule; to do this, I had to reset the default footnote marker to a right
>>> footnote marker, since there doesn't seem to be a way to change the marker
>>> using ednotes (even though it could easily be changed using manyfoot). I
>>> then created a lftrule for use with the second series of footnotes, and
>>> redefined the extrarule to be empty for the third set.
>>>
>>> With respect to using the RTL marker for just one chapter, I couldn't
>>> figure out a way to redefine the A series footnotes within the document.
>>> Perhaps the easiest way around this is to create a fourth footnote series
>>> and use that in subsequent chapters as your first set. Again, ednotes
>>> isn't very well documented, so I don't know how this would work in practice.
>>>
>>> Hopefully though, the attached code will give you something to work on.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> <fnotes2.tex>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:18 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm sorry, I mistyped. Of course \setRTLmarginpar has nothing to do with
>>>> it. I meant \setRTL, because I am using ednotes (which uses manyfoot). I
>>>> have three levels of footnotes. I want to define the footnote rule of one
>>>> level (level B, for example) as right-to-left, but the others leave the
>>>> LtR. I have tried to simply use \rightfootnoterule for the definition of
>>>> my "level B" of footnotes, but this did not work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> see attached file. The commands clearly works.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Vafa Khalighi
>>>> <test.tex><test.pdf>
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