Or... you could use context. I've never used context, but I hear good things about it.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 22:59, Daniel Greenhoe <[email protected]> wrote: > 2011/12/8 Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]>: >> No, I do not agree. I can only agree that the LaTeX user >> documentatioin is incomplete. ... >> Without knowledge of the >> modes you cannot understand why the table behaves differently in the >> footnote. It is documented in the TeXbook. > > Then if that is the current state of the platform, as a LaTeX/XeLaTeX > user it is not reasonable for me to make the demands on the system > such as I originally sought (e.g. keeping text completely within the > text area); that is, absolute precision is beyond the reach of one > who only codes at the LaTeX/XeLaTeX level, and is only within the > reach of one who codes at the TeX level. > > This is not a complaint, it is only an observation. I actually have a > copy of the TeX Book, I just need to open it. ^___^ > > Thank you for the clarification, > Dan > > > 2011/12/8 Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]>: >> 2011/12/8 Daniel Greenhoe <[email protected]>: >>> Hello Heiko, >>> ... >>> In my mind (and maybe in my mind only) if I code something (e.g. a >>> tabular in a footnote) in accordance with documented syntax and then >>> the result of that code violates a parameter (e.g. a lower text area >>> boundary) defined in the same documentation, then that by definition >>> is a bug. Secondly, if a 32 line section of code is required to >>> prevent my correctly coded (as defined by documented syntax) code from >>> violating such a parameter, then such a violation is by definition a >>> bug and the 32 lines of additional code is by definition a "patch". >>> >> No, I do not agree. I can only agree that the LaTeX user >> documentatioin is incomplete. Consider the expression "my text". You >> would certainly be disapointed if the word "text" were verticaly >> aligned so that its baseline matched with the bottom of "y". That's >> why boxes have height and depth and are aligned to baselines, not to >> bottom. The truth is that the documentation of tabular is incomplete. >> It does not say that it has zero width and the whole table extends >> below baseline. Thus in your original sample file you aske LaTeX to >> put the table below the baseline and LaTeX did exactly what you asked >> for. Incomplete documentation is unfortunately a feature of LaTeX. >> Normal users do not know that \vspace is expanded to \vskip in the >> vertical mode but to \vadjust{...} in the horizontal mode and the >> starred variant is esentially \vglue. I am afraid that the LaTeX >> documentation does not even mention the 5 modes so that the vertical >> and horizontal modes may be strange for you. Without knowledge of the >> modes you cannot understand why the table behaves differently in the >> footnote. It is documented in the TeXbook. >> >>> Having said that, let me make these additional comments: >>> 1. I am embarrassed by my own lack of knowledge with respect to TeX coding. >>> 2. I realize that I take a lot from this email list but contribute >>> nothing or next to nothing >>> 3. I very much appreciate all the help that I have and do receive >>> from this mailing list >>> 4. I know that beggars can't be choosers. >>> 5. TeX and it's derivatives has to be one of the greatest >>> developments of all time --- like unto the Gutenberg Press --- many >>> many thanks to everyone who has and continues to work so hard to >>> develop it. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Heiko Oberdiek >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 06:30:39AM +0800, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Heiko Oberdiek >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > You have to compile twice at least. >>>>> >>>>> I compiled at least 8 times using "xelatex Heiko.tex". I still get the >>>>> same error: the text extends below the text area (see attachment). You >>>>> don't get this result on your system? >>>> >>>> And I had written: >>>> >>>> | The following example addresses calculates the shift to align >>>> | the baseline of the footnote line with the first line of >>>> | the tabular. No time for looking at the problem with the overfull \vbox. >>>> >>>> I have seen two problems with your example and one of them solved, >>>> the other remained unsolved. No more, no less. >>>> >>>> Taking more time, I see now, that the overfull \vbox is caused >>>> by something different: The header is set to zero (see options >>>> for geometry), but the page number is printed causing the >>>> overfull \vbox. Changing the options of geometry or \pagestyle{empty} >>>> solves the problem. >>>> >>>> The exceeding part of the second footnote text is correct behaviour: >>>> TeX tries to align the top and bottom lines of a page in order to >>>> get the baselines at the same position: >>>> * At the top vertical space is added up to \topskip unless >>>> the height of the first element is larger than \topskip. >>>> * At the bottom the bottom element might have a depth up to >>>> \maxdepth. The default for \maxdepth with \documentclass[12pt]{book} >>>> is .5\topskip = 8pt. \maxdepth=0pt doesn't allow the bottom element >>>> to exceed the textarea. Aligning the last line of the tabular with the >>>> bottom of the textarea is much more tricky. >>>> >>>> The following assumes that the last line of the tabular contains >>>> normal text without large depths: >>>> >>>> \documentclass[12pt]{book} >>>> \usepackage{array} >>>> \usepackage[ >>>> a4paper,noheadfoot,nomarginpar,margin=20mm,showframe >>>> ]{geometry} >>>> \usepackage{zref-savepos} >>>> \pagestyle{empty} >>>> >>>> %\maxdepth=0pt >>>> >>>> \makeatletter >>>> \newsavebox\tl@box >>>> \newcount\c@tlcount >>>> \setcounter{tlcount}{0} >>>> \def\thetlcount{\the\c@tlcount} >>>> \newenvironment*{tltabular}[1]{% >>>> \stepcounter{tlcount}% >>>> \begin{lrbox}{\tl@box}% >>>> \begin{tabular}[t]{|#1|}% >>>> \hline >>>> \zref@savepos >>>> \zref@labelbyprops{tl@b\thetlcount}{posy}% >>>> \xdef\g@dp@arstrutbox{% >>>> \the\dimexpr\dp\@arstrutbox+\arrayrulewidth >>>> }% >>>> \ignorespaces >>>> }{% >>>> \hline >>>> \end{tabular}% >>>> \end{lrbox}% >>>> \zref@refused{tl@a\thetlcount}% >>>> \zref@refused{tl@b\thetlcount}% >>>> \dimen@=\dimexpr >>>> \zposy{tl@a\thetlcount}sp-\zposy{tl@b\thetlcount}sp% >>>> \relax >>>> \raisebox{\dimen@}{% >>>> \zref@savepos >>>> \zref@labelbyprops{tl@a\thetlcount}{posy}% >>>> \box\tl@box >>>> }\\*[-\g@dp@arstrutbox]% >>>> \hbox{\vrule width 0pt depth\g@dp@arstrutbox}% >>>> } >>>> >>>> \begin{document}% >>>> xyz\footnote{% >>>> \begin{tltabular}{l} >>>> abc\\ >>>> def\\ >>>> ghj\\ >>>> klm\\ >>>> \end{tltabular}%\\ >>>> } >>>> xyz\footnote{% >>>> \begin{tltabular}{l} >>>> abc\\ >>>> def\\ >>>> ghj\\ >>>> klm\\ >>>> \end{tltabular}%\\ >>>> } >>>> \end{document}% >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely >>>> Heiko Oberdiek >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: >>>> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: >>> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zdeněk Wagner >> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: >> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex -------------------------------------------------- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
