Dear Zdenek Wagner, There seems to be some confusion. I am inputting directly. I am using Ligatures=TeX. Suren is the one who is using velthuis map. Please see my sample carefully. Best regards,
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send XeTeX mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of XeTeX digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 (Khaled Hosny) > 2. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Zdenek Wagner) > 3. Re: XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 (Zdenek Wagner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:54:00 +0200 > From: Khaled Hosny <[email protected]> > To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 > Message-ID: <20131125055400.GA15432@khaled-laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:56:25AM +0530, S. venkataraman wrote: > > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-0.9999.3 (TeX Live 2013) > > (format=xelatex 2013.6.27) > > This is latest released version indeed, please attach the PDF output you > get. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:09:36 +0100 > From: Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]> > To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing. > Message-ID: > < > cac1phybw+v35hxxermou_zqutjegzk+m17abmyyxpfs7-wg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > 2013/11/25 bhutex <[email protected]>: > > If you see on XeTeX home page you can see my postings on Hindi and Telugu > > languages. > > > > The fonts developed by C-DAC and freely distributed by the Indian > Government > > are not properly made. There were several errors. I reported it to the > C-DAC > > as well as to the GoI - Indian Language Technology Development groups. > But > > there is no response. After some pestering C-DAC people said their fonts > are > > very good and advised me to use Windows Word. There the matter stops. > > > > I tried with Mangal and it is working fine. I have not yet tried the > other > > Windows fonts like Aparajita, Utsah, Kokila. > > > You can also look at my page http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/xetex-test/ > I have just published the test using current TeX Live 2013, it is in > directory tl2013-20130719 > > The page served to me and to Steve White, you can see older revisions > with different bugs that have already been fixed. You cat also get all > the test files. Generally, I have large files and when I spot an > error, I extract a minimal example. With each new version I rerun all > tests. The files also compare FreeFont with other selected Devanagari > fonts. > > > DVG > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Philip Taylor <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike Maxwell wrote: > >> > I'm having trouble understanding this: > >> > > >> >>> Am 24.11.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Khaled Hosny: > >> >> ...The problem I had with Malayalam (Rachana Font) has been fixed > >> >> after I updated it. > >> > >> I think you will find, on closer inspection, that it was actually > >> NMPOST7 <[email protected]> who schrieb'd the text in question. > >> > >> Philip Taylor > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > >> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy (La)TeXing > > The BHU TeX Group > > ???? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? > > ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? > > ?? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?? > > ????????? ??????? > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > > > > > > -- > Zden?k Wagner > http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ > http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:41:34 +0100 > From: Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]> > To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 > Message-ID: > <CAC1phyYy_s69f+Lf+tScwGhPCdn7hAx7HZ2= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > 2013/11/25 S. venkataraman <[email protected]>: > > Thanks folks for the response. > > Dear Alastair, > > Thanks for the tip. Annapurna font > > seems to work perfectly. I haven't > > gone through the entire document carefully. > > The three words rendered correctly. There doesn't > > seem to be any italic variant. However, regular and bold > > are enough for me for the time being. > > Dear Khaled, > > Regarding the version of xetex I use, I have copied the line giving the > > xetex version from > > the log file. > > > > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-0.9999.3 (TeX Live 2013) > > (format=xelatex 2013.6.27) > > > > > > Can you expand on the following remark? > > > >> The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the > >> first line gets rendered correctly. > > I am not using any TECkit mapping like velthuis or itrans. I am > inputting > > it directly. > > Unless I have misunderstood it, Zdenek Wagner seems to be saying the > > diametrically opposite thing. > > No, I say the same. The font definition in your file contains > Mapping=velthuis-sanskrit which means that you use TECkit mapping. > This map works in several steps. first it converts all characters from > transliteration to Devanagari (k to ?, .n to ? etc). In the second > step the vowels are properly set (dependent+independent). In the third > step conjuncts are formed by replacing consonant+consonant by > consonant+virama+consonant and the fourth step adds virama if the word > ends in a consonant. The last step removes the inherent short "a". If > you type ????????? in Devanagari, the following sequence of characters > will be seen on the input: > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > The first two steps will do nothing. The third step will see ? > followed by ? and will insert virama. The fourth step will see a > consonant at the end of the word and thus add a virama. The resulting > sequence of characters will thus be: > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > this is the very reason why half-kra will be formed because it exists > but conjunct kr.n does not exist. You can see other errors if you > specify Mapping=velthuis-sanskrit and input the text in Devanagari. > Trust me, I am the author of this map. > > >>As Khaled wrote, it is the TECkit problem. The TECkit map assumes that > >>the viramas were added as a result of the map and they are processed > >>in several steps. If you enter the Devanagari text directly, it cannot > >>work. > > Dear Zdenek, > >>It depends on the version of XeTeX and FreeFont. The shaping engine > >>was changed in 2013 and the old versions of FreeFont (release > >>2012-05-03) no longer works. You have to use the latest version from > >>subversion at https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/ > > > > There doesn't seem to be any official release of GNU freefont after 2012. > > How do I get the latest version from the subversion? I can't find any > > instructions and I am not familiar with svn. > > Best, > > > Oh, I forgot that the repository contains just the sources, you have > to run make which means that fontforge is needed too. I can share the > fonts from my computer. > > To Steve: isn't it a good time for another release? The problem is > that the latest release does not work with XeTeX in TeX Live 2013 at > all but the latest svn revision works. > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:16 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Send XeTeX mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [email protected] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of XeTeX digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Zdenek Wagner) > >> 2. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Khaled Hosny) > >> 3. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Zdenek Wagner) > >> 4. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Mike Maxwell) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:04:53 +0100 > >> From: Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]> > >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing. > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> <cac1phyyf8zta58fpxmcabpaecz2o9kiub3fot-5sezcqihc...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> 2013/11/24 S. venkataraman <[email protected]>: > >> > I was looking for some free, unicode compliant, > >> > devanagari font family that has regular, italic and bold variants. I > >> > found > >> > that aksharyogini, CDAC-GISTYogesh, FreeSans and FreeSerif > >> > fit the bill. But, there are different problems with different fonts. > >> > Here is a minimal example with the problems explained with comments. > >> > Yogesh font is OK but > >> > for the one problem. > >> > Is there a free font with all the three variants that works > >> > properly? > >> > *********example file begins*************** > >> > \documentclass{article} > >> > \usepackage{ifxetex} > >> > \RequireXeTeX > >> > \usepackage{fontspec} > >> > \usepackage{xunicode} > >> > \usepackage{xltxtra} > >> > \newfontface\yogesh[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{CDAC-GISTYogesh} > >> > \newfontface\aksharygni[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{Aksharyogini} > >> > \newfontface\freeserif[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{FreeSerif} > >> > \newfontface\freesans[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{FreeSans} > >> > \begin{document} > >> > \relax > >> > {\yogesh ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %problem with the first > word. > >> > Repha is positioned wrongly. > >> > {\aksharygni ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %problem with second > >> > word. > >> > dvi ligature is not correct. > >> > {\freeserif ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %Problem with second and > >> > third > >> > words. dvi ligature is not correct and kri ligature is not correct. > >> > {\freesans ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %kri ligature is not > >> > correct. > >> > \end{document} > >> > >> It depends on the version of XeTeX and FreeFont. The shaping engine > >> was changed in 2013 and the old versions of FreeFont (release > >> 2012-05-03) no longer works. You have to use the latest version from > >> subversion at https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/ > >> > >> This book was typeset with it using XeLaTeX from TeX Live 2013: > >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz/ArunakashKaRasta/index-hi.php > >> > >> > **********************example file ends**************** > >> > Dr. S. Venkataraman > >> > Associate Professor in Mathematics > >> > School of Sciences > >> > IGNOU > >> > Tel. :29572812 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------- > >> > Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > >> > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Zden?k Wagner > >> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ > >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:07:35 +0200 > >> From: Khaled Hosny <[email protected]> > >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing. > >> Message-ID: <20131124180735.GB5092@khaled-laptop> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:48:56PM +0100, NMPOST7 wrote: > >> > On 24/11/2013 18:23, Khaled Hosny wrote: > >> > > What version of XeTeX are you using? You don't seem to be using the > >> > > latest version. > >> > > >> > I am using the latest version from MacTeX (TexLive 2013) but I do not > >> > have the > >> > Fonts mentioned here. I am using velthui mapping. That works out well > >> > with the > >> > transliteration. > >> > > >> > In the attached file the direct typing in Devanagari is the first > >> > example. The > >> > ligature is wrongly placed (the second syllable). The second line is > >> > interpreted > >> > correctly. > >> > >> The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the > >> first line gets rendered correctly. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Khaled > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:26 +0100 > >> From: Zdenek Wagner <[email protected]> > >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing. > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> <CAC1phya8amM7ibTiRSUcS0c=tkc7zwojmr+ayrhosohxmug...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> 2013/11/24 Khaled Hosny <[email protected]>: > >> > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:48:56PM +0100, NMPOST7 wrote: > >> >> On 24/11/2013 18:23, Khaled Hosny wrote: > >> >> > What version of XeTeX are you using? You don't seem to be using the > >> >> > latest version. > >> >> > >> >> I am using the latest version from MacTeX (TexLive 2013) but I do not > >> >> have the > >> >> Fonts mentioned here. I am using velthui mapping. That works out well > >> >> with the > >> >> transliteration. > >> >> > >> >> In the attached file the direct typing in Devanagari is the first > >> >> example. The > >> >> ligature is wrongly placed (the second syllable). The second line is > >> >> interpreted > >> >> correctly. > >> > > >> > The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the > >> > first line gets rendered correctly. > >> > > >> As Khaled wrote, it is the TECkit problem. The TECkit map assumes that > >> the viramas were added as a result of the map and they are processed > >> in several steps. If you enter the Devanagari text directly, it cannot > >> work. See my samples with FreeSans and FreeSerif. Notice, that > >> FreeSans is usable for modern languages as Hindi, Marathi, Nepali, but > >> not for Sanskrit while FreeSerif is usable for all of them provided > >> you switch not only the script but also the language. Try to type > >> ????? with both Language=Hindi and Language=Sanskrit. The difference > >> should also be visible here: > >> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/freefont-devanagari/ (it works even on > >> many web browsers). > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > Khaled > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------- > >> > Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > >> > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Zden?k Wagner > >> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ > >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Devanagari.pdf > >> Type: application/pdf > >> Size: 8015 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > >> < > http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/attachments/20131124/cf889f43/attachment-0001.pdf > > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Devanagari.tex > >> Type: application/x-tex > >> Size: 698 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > >> < > http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/attachments/20131124/cf889f43/attachment-0001.tex > > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:46:29 -0500 > >> From: Mike Maxwell <[email protected]> > >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing. > >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed > >> > >> I'm having trouble understanding this: > >> > >> >> Am 24.11.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Khaled Hosny: > >> > ...The problem I had with Malayalam (Rachana Font) has been fixed > after > >> > I updated it. > >> > >> The "it" that got fixed = the font or XeTeX? > >> > >> > However TexShop does have problem with certain ligatures when it comes > >> > to Malayalam. However, the > >> > pdf renders the ligature correctly. > >> > >> I'm not understanding: are you saying that the screen view of TexShop is > >> at fault, or the PDF > >> produced by XeTeX when you use TeXShop? > >> > >> > Mr Venkataraman is facing a similar problem. Font. As we have seen the > >> > problem is with ligatures. > >> > >> Perhaps you could be more specific? > >> -- > >> Mike Maxwell > >> [email protected] > >> "My definition of an interesting universe is > >> one that has the capacity to study itself." > >> --Stephen Eastmond > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> XeTeX mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25 > >> ************************************** > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. S. Venkataraman > > Associate Professor in Mathematics > > School of Sciences > > IGNOU > > Tel. :29572812(o) > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: > > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > > > > > > -- > Zden?k Wagner > http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ > http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > XeTeX mailing list > [email protected] > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex > > > ------------------------------ > > End of XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 27 > ************************************** > -- Dr. S. Venkataraman Associate Professor in Mathematics School of Sciences IGNOU Tel. :29572812(o)
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