Complainers, I do not usually get into these debates, but I know how hard it is developing little pieces of software here and there. So I can only imagine how much Davide has on his plate. Davide has never said, don't write documentation. If you are going to use opensource, than you have to understand what opensource involves. This is not MySQL, that has developers up the wazzu. This is ONE man, with contributors for any other code/projects. IF you have ever gone to xmailserver.org(sarcasm), you would notice that all of contributors links and documentation on the site. On top of it all, this list is very supportive. I haven't ran into one issue that hasn't been solved in this list. I also think it's incredibly rude to assume that Davide is not listening to other peoples ideas and what they want. Do you think that everything in XMail is only stuff that Davide wants, and he hasn't made ANY code for the user?
I am going to end with this... Davide is the maintainer of XMail, if you don't like it, than you don't have to use it. Write your own mail server, or go use sendmail, qmail or something... than you can complain to whomever. Take the XMail code and add all you want to it, than release your own opensource project. Who knows, maybe Davide will thank you for getting all the complainers off his back hahaha. Alright, I am done ranting. ben Matic wrote: >Davide doesn't hate documentation but the users who DON'T READ IT. He just >want to make it as simple as possible. Besides, he already stated that he >changed his opinion regarding this issue, so now would be a realy good time >to close this thread and let the MAN work - what he does best. > >Matic > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wim Verveen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:51 PM >Subject: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide > > > > >>If open source just means ' please shut up' than closed source would be >>a much better alternative. I think that as a maintainer you should >>listen to the people using the software. This does not mean doing >>everything what people ask but listening. If there are things which the >>maintainer does not want to do he might delegate it to other people. As >>far as I can see Davide hates documentation. But that's okay, you should >>however in that case let other people do that job. In the end we might >>end up with both a good product AND good documentation. A win win >>situation so to say >> >>Wim >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: Dale Qualls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Verzonden: donderdag 1 april 2004 15:54 >>Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: Default Open Relay @ Davide >> >> >>I guess I'm not trying to stifle it, but like everyone here, I have my = >>=3D >>opinions. >> >>I do have to ask how many times does Davide have to say "no" before >>people =3D realize that he's not going to make the change? People may = >>not >>be being =3D ungrateful, but beating this dead horse isn't going to make >>him change it. =3D It's HIS software (so his decision), yes it's open >>source, but that =3D doesn't change the fact that he's the >>writer/maintainer. Open source also =3D allowsfor people to change the >>code any way they see fit, including the =3D defaults for the >>smtprelay.tab file. >> >>If you're not happy with it change it, isn't THAT the beauty of open =3D >>source? >> >>If you think the documentation isn't up to snuff, write a howto. >>There's =3D one person on this list that writes a great "Beginners Guide >>to..." and =3D even he says to change it. It all comes down to the fact >>that you can =3D write it in 72 point text and people still won't RTFM. >> >>Dale >> >> >> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 10:47PM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 12:59, Dale Qualls wrote: >> >> >>>Okay, color me stupid, but is it so tough to empty the darned=20 >>>smtprelay.t=3D >>> >>> >>ab=3D3D >> >> >>> file? >>> >>> >>no - but I agree it's easy to miss. Even if it was left the way it was >>and there was a file named "IMPORTANT.txt" in the root directory of the >>archive that would suffice IMHO. I have always thought a little more >>documentation (or a little more well targeted documentation) was >>appropriate. >> >> >> >>>I'm amazed at everyone bitching over a great product that no one pays=20 >>>=3D >>> >>> >>any =3D3D >> >> >>>money for. >>> >>> >>Yeah this is how software improves isn't it, by everyone keeping their >>mouths shut. Nobody is being ungrateful, we are just raising issues and >>offering solutions. >> >>I would rather have people email me their concerns about the software I >>develop than not finding out about them till months later. >> >>This is the beauty of open source - the ability to actually have your >>feedback listened to and acted on. Why you are trying to stifle this >>valid conversation I do not know. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Will. >> >>--=3D20 >>William Denniss - will@ http://tanksoftware.com/=3D20 >> >>- >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the >>body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send >>the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>- >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the >>body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the >>line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >>- >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >>the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
