Steve,

There is a problem with your VAN.  Specifically, they are not responsive
to your requirements.  Maybe you should consider a different one?

It also could be a problem with how your VAN interfaces with your
trading partner and with your company.  Before you look for a different
VAN, discuss with your VAN 
        o why they only guarantee delivery within one hour
        o what impacts their ability to deliver within your time
requirements
        o what options can they offer that will allow delivery within
your time
        o where do they view the source of the problem to be

Going to XML will probably not resolve your issues.  You are just
changing one format for another.

My experience is that communication delays are usually much smaller than
processing delays.  What are the timeframes for processing by the VAN,
the trading partner, and by your company.  Is processing batch or
realtime?  If batch what is the frequency? How frequently are databases
updated so that the data extract is timely?  Are transmissions immediate
or periodic?  Once again, what is the frequency?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Foerster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 3:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The need for speed: XML vs. Internet EDI


Steve,

I don't think the formatting of the data is relevant in your example.
Whether it's EDI or XML doesn't make a difference. It seems to be the
real
bottleneck is your VAN. Why not just use the Internet to send EDI rather
than going through the VAN?

Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bollinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The need for speed: XML vs. Internet EDI


Hi All:

I would like to know if anyone has done any actual benchmarks in this
area
of comparing the speed of XML to EDI on the Internet.  Is there anything
inherently faster/slower about XML?.  I am not talking just transmission
speed, but point to point (DB to DB).

We are working on sending messages to satisfy service requests, some of
which are very fast turn around: 4hrs, 2hrs and soon to come 1hr.  That
is
from the time the request is committed to our database until the time
the
replacement part arrives at the customer's site (scope: worldwide).  As
you
can see from this, time is of the essence.  We would like to see a 60
second
or less turn around in message delivery.  20 - 30 seconds would be
great.
That is the time from our DB commit to the time the message arrives at
the
remote shipping depot - which is run by a third party carrier that
warehouses our parts.  Protocol: HTTPS.

Time includes:  triggering the send, extracting the data, mapping the
data,
encryption, sending, receiving into the DB at the other end.

Currently our EDI (via VAN) takes about 5 minutes (could possibly be
trimmed) to deliver to the VAN and about 5 minutes for the VAN to
deliver to
the trading partner.  Problem is that the VAN only guarantees one hour
delivery.  This makes the time to TP a possible 1 hour 10 min instead of
the
usual 10 minutes.  This ruins the 1 hour support and cuts too deeply
into
the 2 and 4 hour service.  Even 10 minutes cuts deeply into a 1 hour
delivery promise.

I don't expect transaction size to be an issue.  Typical EDI
transactions
are around 1K.  Even with a 50-to-1 verbosity ratio sending 50K is not a
big
deal.  Current benchmarks on our file transfers is 11 seconds per meg.

Thanks for any real world data you can send me or ideas you may have on
this.
Steve Bollinger.
Steve Bollinger 408-853-8478
Cisco Systems   B2B Service Logistics Pjt






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