Gene, No, as somone who started a Java User Group early on, I can assure you that "deprecated code" referred to initially is Java that contains method signatures that are being phased out, and not "a marketing buzz word..". Java is used by software folk who know a balanced OO language when they see it, regardless of the company where it was born. For instance (also a technical term in some contexts, but here used generically), see mirror (also a generic term, but here used technically): www.ii.uib.no/~anurag/jdk1.2/docs/api/deprecated-list.html As to "the basic concepts of XML/EDI", how about: 1. Deep semantic interpretation 2. Coordinated ontologies 3. Reconciliation of semantic value Let's get past the petty and on to the question: "What (XML) information would be sufficient to specify the precise use of the terms 'discount' or 'commission' (one I have wrestled with in implementing an EDI system long ago) in the context of a sale through a retailer, for a start?" BTW, Rule 1 of newsgroups... no private postings. David G. Bruce Senior Sales Engineer Phone: (905) 855-1889 ObjectSpace, Inc. The Leader in Business-to-Business Solutions http://www.objectspace.com -----Original Message----- From: Hockemeyer, Gene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM To: 'David Bruce' Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments? So that we can put this to rest in the grave it deserves.. the word depreciate in this instance .. is a marketing buzz word.. intended .. like so many, ... to cover the SIMPLE .. fact that previous versions and mayhaps the process itself .. is Out of Date .. I guess the use is determined by the user .. but tell me .. how does this much augmented message enhance the basic concepts of XML/EDI ??? Could we let it now rest!! ... Takes a lot of time to read all this .. and stay productive!! Thanks g -----Original Message----- From: David Bruce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments? I disagree. There are times when people choose words that are over-fancy, but as it happens... this is not one of them! The use of 'deprecated' may ORIGINALLY have been a poor choice, but now that millions have gotten used to it as meaning "this is a method that may not be supported for long", it is the BEST word to communicate the intended meaning. Something that has been superceded may not be useable AT ALL. I was not impressed the first time that I heard "agnostic" used in the context that you are referring to, but some of the arguments that folks get into resemble the antics of "religious wars". As for keeping stupid... "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." - Albert Einstein David G. Bruce Senior Sales Engineer Phone: (905) 855-1889 ObjectSpace, Inc. The Leader in Business-to-Business Solutions http://www.objectspace.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments? This is just another instance of someone wanting to use a fancy word when another would be more accurate. As Rachel pointed out by quoting the dictionary definition, "deprecate" has a pejorative context. It bothers me, too, Rachel. Why use "deprecated" when what you mean is "superseded?" Another example is the recent trend to use "agnostic" to identify something that is neutral. Please, people, try to remember K.I.S.S. Sally -----Original Message----- From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments? The whole notion of "deprecated" code was derived from a field you can use in JavaDoc, which is a code-level documentation format which allows a tool called javadoc to generate API documentation from raw code. An example: /** * This method stores your name in a file. * @param Your Name * @param File Name * @return void * @deprecated As if JDK 1.3.0, replaced by {@link #storeName(String, String)} */ public void saveName(String name, String f_name) { ... } Cheers! ���`����,��,����`����,��,� Matthew MacKenzie VP Research & Development XML Global Technologies, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: October 25, 2000 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments? Rachel In the java world, certain classes and/or methods are replaced with newer, hopefully better code from time to time. Actually, it happens quite frequently. By the time the Ben's ( and other author's ) books are published, the supplier of the java code that was used as examples in the book has been replaced and the old code is marked as "deprecated". As a side note, in my mind this is one reason that I would like to see books published in an electronic format that will make it to market faster. Bill On Wed, 25 October 2000, "Rachel Foerster" wrote: > > > Ben, > > I'm glad you saw my compliments about your book. One question....you > use the term deprecated code. I've seen it used many times elsewhere. > This may be a dumb question, but what does it mean. The dictionary > definition of deprecated is > > dep�re�cate (d�p"r�-k�t") tr.v. de�pre�cat�ed, de�pre�cat�ing, > de�pre�cates. 1. To express disapproval of; deplore. 2. To belittle; > depreciate. --dep"re�cat"ing�ly adv. --dep"re�ca"tion n. --dep"re�ca" > tor n. > > > Thanks, > > Rachel > > > At 08:21 PM 10/24/00, you wrote: > >I agree wholeheartedly. > > > >That was the first XML book I picked up, and even though many of his > >examples use deprecated code, it provided me with some great examples > and > >a good feel for XML programming. > > > >Good book!!! > > I'm glad you and Rachel find XML by Example useful. > > In answer to your comments, I wanted to point out that I tried to > update > the obsolete XSL code on the support web site > (http://www.mcp.com/que/detail_que.cfm?item=0789722429). Some of the > updates have found their way in recent reprints so if you buy a copy > today, > it should contain little deprecated code (hopefully :-). > > --ben > Beno�t Marchal, www.pineapplesoft.com > > As eCommerce Grows, Understanding XML Becomes a Key Job Skill > XML by Example / $24.99 / ISBN 0-7897-2242-9 / www.worth-it.com > Applied XML Solutions / $44.99 / ISBN 0-6723-2054-1 / www.worth-it.com > > > > ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ > Homepage =http://www.XMLedi-Group.org > > Unsubscribe =send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Leave the subject and body of the message blank > > Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To receive only one message per day (digest format) > send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > (leave the subject line blank) > > digest xmledi-group your-email-address > > To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: > http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm > > > > > > ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ > Homepage http://www.XMLedi-Group.org > > Unsubscribe send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Leave the subject and body of the message blank > > Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To receive only one message per day (digest format) > send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > (leave the subject line blank) > > digest xmledi-group your-email-address > > To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: > http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm The human mind is the most fertile soil in the universe. 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