NTList wrote: > > The attached post was not accepted within 96 hours. Your message was not posted to >the list. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: IS XML dying? No! Is the Hype dying? - Yes! > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:59:30 -1000 (HST) > From: "Betty L. Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > XML is an enabling technology. It is not the solution to world peace > or hunger. > > The dot.com's are going out of business because of their > business processes, not because of XML. The hype enabled companies > who were worth 5 million tops, go IPO and be worth 5 billion. Where > was the logic in that model? Investors flocked to these companies. > Why? The hype! The investors are realizing that the dot.com's are > not going be successful without a good business model and some > common sense. Did anyone do any market surveys before they put > millions and millions of dollars for ads for pet supplies with > a sock puppet during the super bowl - I doubt it. Did Priceline.com > do any market analysis before spending millions of dollars for > William Shatner (Captain Kirk) to make a fool of himself, then > make statements that he didn't own a computer, never used a > computer and didn't plan on using a computer - great spokesperson. > > Hopefully - the hype is dead - although the hype was good for > the XML business. > > Here are some questions that I think should be looked at > seriously: > > Are XML concepts easy to understand? Yes! > Are the current standardization efforts > surrounding XML easy to understand? Not Always! > Is implementing XML easy? No! > Is XML always the right solution? No! > Is it part of an integrated solution? Yes, definately! > Is it easier than some of the other technologies? Sometimes! > Are XML tools readily available? Sometimes! This market > has a way to go. > Will XML survive? Yes, definately! XML will become as > transparent as ASCII. That is where it belongs. > XML should not be an 'in your face' technology > to the end user. Current implementations want > to make it that way. > Is current XML standardization processes working? No! > As predicted, we are seeing better headway > in the traditional vertical market standardization > efforts. Outside of these groups we have conflicting > specification, corporate posturing and inflated, > overly complicated specks. You need a doctorate > in scatology to even get a small grasp of what > is really happening. > > Antony, you say that none of your trading partners are willing to invest > in XML for 2 to 3 years. If they have all the trading partners working > well together at the moment this is a valid and a good decision. > > However, if they want to increase their trading partners, then > XML is the perfect solution to enable more trading partners to > come on board in a cost effective environment without impacting > the current backend processes. XML doesn't require a big budget. > Common sense solutions work and work well! > > I may be wrong but I don't think Dell shut down their hub because > of XML. They shut down because of traditional business processes. > Poor customer support, lag time in delivery, cost, etc. This is > a problem that most on-line merchants are facing and have nothing > to do with XML: > > 1. I want my product at a cheaper cost. The hype about a dot.com > was that the company didn't have a storefront so therefore the > cost of the product would be cheaper. That hasn't happened. > In a lot of cases the product is more expensive and you have > to pay shipping. > 2. On line purchases are quicker. This promise hasn't panned out. > Have you tried to buy a computer from Dell and Gateway? I > bought a computer for an employee who I wanted to ship it > to. Ended up using 'mysimon.com'. XML in the background > and it works just fine. > 3. Human nature. We want to touch, smell, taste, etc. > 4. Poor customer service. Traditional company customer support > have no idea what is happening on their web site. I purchased > plane tickets from British Airways web site. I called reservations > to change my flight. The customer support person said that their > web site was hosted by Travelocity and I had to call them - untrue. > It took 3 hours to get to the right person. > > Early morning ramblings! > > Betty > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > Betty Harvey | Phone: 410-787-9200 FAX: 9830 > Electronic Commerce Connection, Inc. | > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Washington,DC SGML/XML Users Grp > URL: http://www.eccnet.com | http://www.eccnet.com/xmlug/ > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/ > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Anthony Beecher wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a radical statement, but let me clarify: > > > > The dot com world has been gutted. Dot coms are dying left and right. Much > > of the investment money driving XML initiatives was living on the B2B hype > > which was younger brother to the B2C. Now B2C is dying and it would seem > > that B2B is going along with it. > > > > You also see XML initiatives failing, like that Dell hub that shut down the > > other day. > > > > None of our trading partners are interested in touching XML for another 2 to > > 3 years until the standards settle. Noone wants to invest in an XML > > product, because it may be useless next year. > > > > Is the truth finally being shaken out - That XML is not a "Magic Problem > > Solver" and that the real issue is and always was the differing capabilities > > of different backend systems? > > > > > > Anthony Beecher > > Manager of Vendor Systems > > buy.com > > work: 949-389-2246 > > page: 877-649-8519 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ > > Homepage = http://www.XMLedi-Group.org > > > > Unsubscribe = send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Leave the subject and body of the message blank > > > > Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To receive only one message per day (digest format) > > send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > (leave the subject line blank) > > > > digest xmledi-group your-email-address > > > > To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: > > http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Plan on attending the upcoming meeting during DISA's conference: > > http://www.disa.org/conference/annual_conf/index.htm > > > > ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ Homepage = http://www.XMLedi-Group.org Unsubscribe = send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leave the subject and body of the message blank Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive only one message per day (digest format) send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], (leave the subject line blank) digest xmledi-group your-email-address To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan on attending the upcoming meeting during DISA's conference: http://www.disa.org/conference/annual_conf/index.htm
