On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Daniel Hong wrote: > I think it's because users(sometimes programmers) expect that they would have > all the child elements available to them instead of having to create one > child element as a requirement to creating the sibling element. > > And you mention that this is a "complicated" and "sophisticated" insert. Are > you saying this because internal implementation is complicated?
We would have no technical difficulty implementing such command. For example, we already have a command called "add" which also attempts to be ``smart''. Such "add" command is often used by our toolbar buttons (e.g. Add a paragraph, Add a figure, etc). See http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/_distrib/doc/commands/add.html > To the user, and from usability perspective, I think the method I've > mentioned is more straightforward. > We are sorry but we don't agree. We think that at first, a single smart insert command seems to be easier to use but very quickly, the user will make mistakes with it. That is, the command will *not* do exactly what she/he wants. > Another element is "colspec" in "tgroup". Please select a <thead> or <tbody> and use "Insert Before" to insert <colspec>. > > Thanks, > Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hussein Shafie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:06 AM > To: Daniel Hong > Cc: '[email protected]' > Subject: Re: [XXE] Missing elements? > > On 06/15/2011 03:43 PM, Daniel Hong wrote: >> I see. What was the reason for this design decision? I guess experience user >> of XMLEditor would be use to it but it seems confusing to the new user. > > Yes, we agree that all the other XML editors we have tested do not work > like this, and that this may be surprising. > > > >> Is it to enforce the fact that these elements must be first item in >> "properties" or "tgroup" element? User should be able to insert "prophead" >> when they have "properties" selected, if the element already doesn't exist. >> > > We are convinced that our approach is the most straightforward and the > most precise one. With 3 simple Insert commands instead of just a > complicated one[*], you know precisely what you are doing. > > Now we understand very well that some users do not like this approach. > > > --- > [*] With examples other than properties/prophead/property, we bet that a > user cannot easily predict where this kind of sophisticated Insert > command will actually insert the new element. > > > >> Thanks, >> Danny >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hussein Shafie [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:35 PM >> To: Daniel Hong >> Cc: '[email protected]' >> Subject: Re: [XXE] Missing elements? >> >> On 06/14/2011 11:21 PM, Daniel Hong wrote: >>> Certain element appears to be missing from the Edit Tool suggestion box >>> when I try to insert them. For example, when I select properties >>> (either using arrow keys, "node path bar" or tree view) then select >>> "insert," I only get property element in the list when I believe I >>> should also get prophead element. This is the same for colspec element >>> for table. Is this a bug or expected behavior? >>> >> >> No, this is not a bug. You are using command "Insert" instead of using >> command "Insert Before". >> >> For example, in the case of <properties>, a newly created <properties> >> contains a <property> child. >> >> [1] Select this <property>, for example by clicking on "property" in the >> node path bar. >> >> [2] Use "Insert Before" (not "Insert"). >> >> [3] Select "prophead" from the Edit tool. >> >> See attached screenshot. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> When I edit the xml manual then load it back up in the editor prophead >>> element appears to be detected correctly and even visually styled. Any >>> comments or suggestion? >>> >> >> Please take the time to follow our tutorial: >> >> http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/tutorial.html >> >> If you find that the above tutorial is too comprehensive and don't have >> enough time to follow it, we nevertheless recommend to read (no >> screencasts) this minimal tutorial: >> >> http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/_distrib/doc/help/quickstart.html >> >> >> -- >> XMLmind XML Editor Support List >> [email protected] >> http://www.xmlmind.com/mailman/listinfo/xmleditor-support >> >> > > > -- > XMLmind XML Editor Support List > [email protected] > http://www.xmlmind.com/mailman/listinfo/xmleditor-support > > -- XMLmind XML Editor Support List [email protected] http://www.xmlmind.com/mailman/listinfo/xmleditor-support
