On Thursday, May 9, 2002, Mike A. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 9 May 2002, Frank Van Damme wrote: > >>> Might not sound insane, but the bare fact is that it does not >>> work in XFree86. I could care less personally if it ever does, >>> as it is obsolete hardware. I only care that XFree86 does not >>> crash. If nobody else is interested in fixing it either, then I >>> believe the X/DRI sources should detect this problem and disable >>> it by default as I have done, unless we now consider it ok for >>> the X server to crash for no reason other than it being >>> configured in a way that the drivers do not support currently. >> >>Not as obsolete as you think. Untill a few months ago I ran a >voodoo3 3000 > >That depends on your definition of obsolete. Obsolete does not >mean non-existant, nor not-in-use-anymore. Obsolete, means that >the company that manufactures the product no longer supports it. >In the case of the Voodoo hardware, it means that the company >that used to manufacture the hardware does not exist anymore. > >Since they do not exist, there is no interest in anyone >funding the development of this technology. As such, it is >considered obsolete. That doesn't mean that you should throw >away the hardware, nor that someone who has a personal interest >in hacking on the drivers should not do so. > >I encourage anyone who is interested in hacking on the tdfx >drivers to add support or fix bugs to go ahead and do so, and if >I can help out in some way, I'll certainly try to answer any >questions I can if I'm familiar with the particular area of >inquiry. I'm sure any other developers would also be willing to >help someone interested in hacking on X. > >Just keep in mind that while this is all perfectly good working >hardware, that it is ultimately several generations old now >compared to modern hardware, and that it is considered >obsolete. > > >>for playing quake which is bearable @ 920*7something. Still it >>would make no sense to run it @1600*1200 (no question) so you're >>using OR dri, OR desktop@1600*1200. Conclusion: no problem at >>all. > >I agree with that. But some people out there do want to use >1600x1200 on such hardware that is 3 or more generations old. >If the drivers were reprogrammed to actually work under those >constraints, I believe the 3D would be so slow that software GL >would not be much slower. Nonetheless, people want to do it if >they can. > >As a general guideline of what is realistically possible with >such hardware, one might try Windows, and see what 3D video >modes are available on these cards in Windows while running a 3D >game. Whatever windows can do with the 3Dfx drivers, it is >theoretically possible that X can do also. However in addition >to the problems in the current driver, there is an additional >problem that XFree86 can't reclaim video memory used by 2D. >Unless this has changed and slipped by me recently. > >I think if someone were to fix the drivers, that 1280x1024 might >be possible, but I doubt much beyond that could run stable in >3D. > > >-- >Mike A. Harris Shipping/mailing address: >OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave., Sault Ste. Marie, >XFree86 maintainer Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3 >Red Hat Inc. >http://www.redhat.com ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris > >_______________________________________________ >Xpert mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert >
So youre saying that Windows is better than Xfree86 and us Voodoo 3 owners should go back to using it to get the most from our cards? I would only say that the Voodoo 3 is 2 generations old if you look at from a memory timing/core clock speed point of view rather than an Nvidia new chip with not widely used features and larger heatsink every 6 months point of view. I'll test my card out with Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament this weekend to see how it fares. Michael. _______________________________________________ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
