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xtalk Thursday, December 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 349
In this issue:
xTalk: Re: xtalk V1 #348
Re: Re: Re: Re: xTalk: Getting input from console
Re: xTalk: Getting input from console
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:41:13 +0000
From: Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xTalk: Re: xtalk V1 #348
Guys,
Console is an abtraction used for the standard logical output device.
You are referring to a DOS or Unix shell, which for those platforms is
the standard output device. On Mac, it's usually faked by the
application you are running.
Steve Long
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:05:09 +0100
From: "M. Uli Kusterer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: xTalk: Getting input from console
>I'm not sure I understand what you're planning to build, but it sounds
>like a character-based application (though I had thought that these
>had pretty much gone the way of the dodo ;-)
Scott,
since that program only works with text in a window, it'll be just fine
for what I need it for. I admit, it's an esoteric little kind of
application.
>If so, the standard I/O
>terms (stdin/stdout/stderr) would probably apply, even if you're
>doing terminal I/O related stuff like moving the cursor around. It's
>not just CGIs that use these terms, they're standard parts of the C
>language.
That's what's bothering me. We're talking about xTalk here, and I think C
shouldn't be something to borrow terminology from. What do users actually
call these terminal/console windows in real life?
Cheers,
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:45:31 +0100
From: Ruediger zu Dohna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xTalk: Getting input from console
"M. Uli Kusterer" wrote:
> We're talking about xTalk here, and I think C
> shouldn't be something to borrow terminology from. What do users actually
> call these terminal/console windows in real life?
Users of these terminal/console windows are in real life programmers,
most are C programmers. The whole concept is tied into the C language
and "normal" people do not use command lines very often, although they
could accomplish enormous tasks with commands like sed or even just
grep! But end users are spoiled by those terrible GUIs ;-) and can only
think in menus and are simply unable to grasp the concepts that go on
behind that stuff on the surface. ;-)
Regards
R�diger
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