My real concern is that I don't know what the "goal" of Xubuntu is, to
tell me what it should become.

I feel your concern. Maybe we should decide on a clearer goal than ubuntu+xfce I guess.

My personal desire is to get an easy to use, lightweight workstation
for programmers and system administrators.

Mine is lightweight workstation for people using older hardware - i.e schools,
internet cafes etc. where legacy hw predominates and kde/gnome linux distros
cannot really compete with win98 and the likes here. It's still tough to do it with
xubuntu too since 2.6 kernels and the associated userspace stack, xorg, gtk even
are all pretty demanding. I am thinking P2-128Mb-ish hw should be very usable
with xubuntu, so that is a sort of informal target of mine. I think the idea of an edubuntu variant
using xfce has been thrown around as well but before that becomes feasible we have
to make xubuntu stand on it's own.

 
>  thunar

Xffm has been broken up into distinct units. Perhaps, if we settle on
one file manager, only those non-FM components of Xffm could be
included.

In other words, Thunar is the file manager, and Xffm provides a
filesystem search tool, a patch manager, and the like.

My thought too, the only concern would be not to annoy the xffm userbase, which
I have no idea how large is. It would help if xfce upstream designated thunar as _the_
file manager. Admittedly all of those who had written to this list were excited about thunar
and noone raved about xffm IIRC, but maybe they're just shy :)
 

>  xfburn(instead of graveman)

I don't know that any work has gone into Xfburn since it's initial
import into SVN. Might be a good question to ask, since it's shaping
up to be very very nice.

Again this is a tentative goal, we depend on upstream.   Ideally, resources and skills allowing
we should collaborate with xfce also on development issues.

>  3) Volume manager
>  right now ivman seems the most likely candidate. As kubuntu will not use it
> starting with kde 3.5 we may tweak it
>  for our use in the default install. I remember somebody trying to write a
> volume manager for xfce4 but I am not sure
>  what the status of that is.

I think Ivman is the best bet, though if someone were to build a nice
GUI around it I wouldn't object. Perhaps I can look into that, though
I'm not likely to have enough time, since I'm trying to move Mousepad
along once again.

Ok just don't make a gedit out of it ;)

Jani
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