I've started the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/GetInvolved
On 8/16/07, Cody A.W. Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow. > > It has certainly been very interesting to read this thread; I'm happy to > see some of the key issues that plague us being highlighted. However, I'm > sad to realize that this has most likely been the most productive ml thread > on xubuntu-devel in sometime. What is even more disappointing for me is the > self-realization that a number of the these issues are my fault. I feel like > I came in, created a buzz, and although I couldn't control the > circumstances, I was unable to carry things through. I can't help but feel > like I could have made it easier for others to get involved by writing > documentation/tutorials on the wiki while I was in a position to do so. > Community is viral and, if properly guided, can bloom into something amazing > - evident with a large number of successful OSS projects. With the Xubuntu > community, it has grown but simply not flourished like it could. A big, big > thanks to people like Jim Campbell, Freddy Martinez, Vincent & Adam, and > other friends who have made visible, and powerful strides within our > community. > > How can we fix this? Well, Ubuntu already has tons of documentation on how > to get involved. A lot of people aren't aware that these documents are > wonderful resources for getting involved with Xubuntu and other people want > documentations that shows them how they can get involved with Xubuntu > specifically (though everyone should remember that helping Ubuntu helps > Xubuntu - directly or indirectly). Using the existing documentation, I > believe we can easily meld the gap and make something available to > individuals interested in getting involved with the technical sides of > Xubuntu. When people say "How do I help Xubuntu?" or maybe something more > specific like "How do I help Xubuntu by bug triaging?", we can provide easy > to remember and share links that feature very usable documentation that > smartly links and makes use of existing flavor in-specific documentation. -- > This being said, there will ALWAYS be people who want to help out but never > end up making good on that desire. > > Another thing I've noticed (and I fall into the same trap) is that people > want to develop software for Xubuntu. Developing Xubuntu is, as Jani > describes, more the managing dependencies and integrating the packages to > provide a stellar desktop experience than the developing of > "single"/individual applications. That is not to say that there is not the > need for people who are skilled coders to apply glue. Kudos to Jani and > Lionel for their amazing work - without them, Xubuntu simply wouldn't be. > > Finally, it seems emotions are getting high. Those of us with emotions > running high should take a deep breath. Developing hard feelings and > breeding mistrust is not on the path to success. We're all here to help > develop Xubuntu :) > > With all this said, I'm still not in a position to be regularly active > like I used to be (though I hope to be in the fall - fingers crossed). > However, it has always been evident to me that when people get involved and > act other people get involved and act too. Keeping this in mind, I'm going > to try to do more, visible, work - particularly things that I can work on > offline/lack of computer and then upload when I get a chance. > > I encourage everyone that is eager to get involved to make it a pledge to > get _actively_ involved with this week. I promise you that once you get > started, it is easy as pie! :) Plus there are tons of resources to help you > get started - the website, the wiki, and IRC. > > Got Xubuntu? > > Thanks, > > Cody A.W. Somerville > > P.S. Make sure to pass out lots of hugs! > > On 8/10/07, Lionel Le Folgoc < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Giuseppe Torelli wrote: > > > On 8/9/07, Jani Monoses < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20070808/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest > > > > > > > > Please let me understand. Did you include gnome dependencies in the > > > next Xubuntu Gutsy? > > > > > > > They came automagically because evince-gtk depends on them, and this > > since the beginning of Gutsy release cycle. I don't remember seeing > > anybody yelling about that, so it seems gnome dependencies are not a > > pain to many people.. or it means that nobody downloaded and tested the > > several Tribes live-cd (btw, that's not very cool for Jim and Freddy who > > > > ask for testing and try to write release notes). > > > > In both cases, we may have a problem: IMO, this ML(our meetings) is(are) > > a waste of time. Many people express their opinion, write > > specifications, tell other people what they should do, but do nothing... > > > > and finally, less than 10 people are doing something, packaging, coding, > > testing, trying to make the best release, and other people are always > > putting on the table the same topic (sylpheed or thunderbird, how > > great!). > > > > I don't think xubuntu lack a community, it only lacks active people... > > For example, (almost) nobody does bug triaging for xubuntu. Don't you > > think this would help improving xubuntu and xfce if reported bugs were > > triaged and forwarded upstream? That's an example among many, it does > > not require technical skills, and it's often a good 'trigger' to become > > Ubuntu member and more involved in Ubuntu... > > > > Cheers, > > Lionel > > > > PS: please don't misinterpret me (and sorry for the sarcasms again), I > > am not blaming anyone, I am blaming us 'as a whole', and I am afraid we > > are going to the same point with the latest endless flamewar (gnome or > > not?)... > > > > -- > > xubuntu-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > > > > > > -- > > > Firefox (www.getfirefox.com) -- A browser you can trust -- Firefox (www.getfirefox.com) -- A browser you can trust
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