I used Ubuntu for quite awhile before going over to Xubuntu. I simply wanted to experience Xubuntu and quickly became a fan. I found it much easier to set-up my wireless, had fewer things to delete that I don't want or need. I hope it lasts forever!
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Vincent <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Charlie Kravetz < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:41:40 +0200 >> Simon Steinbeiß <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:31:45 -0600 >> > Charlie Kravetz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 15:23:51 +0200 >> > > Simon Steinbeiß <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > >> > > > I just wanted to give you an update on what I worked on recently, >> > > > a comparison between Thunderbird and Claws as standard mail >> > > > client for Xubuntu Karmic. >> > > > >> > > > You can find my comparison here: >> > > > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/ThunderbirdVsClaws >> > > > If you have thoughts on it, let me know. As it was a first-timer >> > > > for me there might be points that I've missed etc. >> > > > >> > > > I hope this spec will be a good basis for deciding on the >> > > > standard-mail client in Xubuntu Karmic. >> > > > >> > > > All the best >> > > > Simon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > By the way, if I find the time I will try to do another test >> > > > between gpicview and geeqie (a gqview-fork), but I can't promise >> > > > I'll be done with that before UDS. >> > > > >> > > >> > > An interesting read for anyone still wondering about the power and >> > > ability of claws mail: >> > > >> > > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=780 >> > > >> > > This is from an individual outside of Xubuntu. >> > > >> > >> > An interesting read indeed. I can only say that this totally reflects >> > my initial impetus of proposing claws versus thunderbird and that I'm >> > still subscribing to this view. However, I have found that either >> > sides (claws, xubuntu) have their arguments about usability >> > (especially people who are not [ever going to be] power-users): claws >> > doesn't really target people who aren't able (or not willing to) deal >> > with a certain amount of flexibility (because they want to provide >> > the best experience for the rest) and xubuntu (at least imho) >> > sometimes isn't so sure about its target group: is it the linux >> > first-timers? Is it people who switch from Ubuntu to something >> > faster/more lightweight and possibly more geeky? I personally think >> > that there is a very small (or even marginal) group of linux-first >> > timers that start with xubuntu and are overwhelmed by claws' >> > complexity (at least that's my personal experience with ~10 of my >> > non-tech-nerd friends). but anyways, i think it's a difficult >> > decision if you want to increase your userbase. >> > >> > In the end the question might be: does xubuntu as a whole have a >> > really distinct profile? (as opposed to Ubuntu) Obviously xfce makes >> > a lot of that difference to gnome, and a few different standard apps, >> > different artwork etc (I really don't want to play down xubuntu's >> > individual character, but since mostly in our discussions about >> > standard apps we were talking about *first* impressions, this is one >> > that some people outside the community might get from looking at it) >> > and xubuntu is supposed to be a lot more lightweight than Ubuntu. (At >> > least there are some tests out there suggesting that the difference >> > is not that big. I guess that's due to some common daemons... >> > Whatever.) But be that as it may (with the tests, I mean), I would be >> > interested in your thoughts: should xubuntu be geekier than Ubuntu or >> > just as easy to use (yes, I think this might be an opposition)? Also >> > try to consider the question of speed and use on older machines, as >> > this seems to be one of the core features where xubuntu wants to >> > outshine Ubuntu. >> > >> > Alright, this got a bit long, sorry if I'm blathering too much. Will >> > work on being more concise :) >> > >> > Simon >> > >> >> An opinion of mine: I have always held the belief that if users want >> the ease of use and comfort of Gnome, they should be using Ubuntu, not >> Xubuntu. Xfce does not have the configurability ease of gnome. I do not >> believe it should have. If the environment is the same, why call it >> something else? >> >> Per the Xfce website, '"Xfce is a lightweight desktop environment for >> various *NIX systems. Designed for productivity, it loads and executes >> applications fast, while conserving system resources." - Olivier >> Fourdan, creator of Xfce'. No place do I find easy to configure, good >> for beginners, easy to change, just like gnome, etc, that seems so >> important to so many now. I am amazed every time I see a bug report >> that states "gnome has this, why not xfce?". Indeed, why should xfce? >> If you want what gnome has, use gnome. >> >> I personally would prefer to see Xubuntu head in a direction that >> caters more to advanced users. Let Ubuntu keep the new user. They are >> well suited for them, already. It is hard enough to keep the >> distribution going, without trying to cater to every user out there. I >> like the fact that Xfce is not the same as Gnome, and I hope it will >> stay that way. The more we can tune to the advanced user, the more >> excess can be thrown out. Advanced users will change configuration >> files, with or without a GUI. Sorry, beginner, it will be much harder >> for you. >> >> Advanced users will dig into the documentation, even though it means >> reading it from /usr/share/xfce, beginners may not even find it. >> >> On the other hand, I will continue to use Xubuntu and support the >> developers as long as it serves my own needs. Long live Xubuntu! > > > On the other hand, Xubuntu is not only Xfce, but also Ubuntu, which has > more of a goal of being easy to use. We might as well throw out all those > Ubuntu apps that make life easier but decrease performance, such as their > Python tools like Add/Remove, update-notifier, jockey etc. > > Also, if we want users to edit configuration files and use the command > line, why have a GUI at all? > > We could try to cater more to the power user, but if we're going with GUI > and Ubuntu then I would argue for really going for that. It might also be > troublesome because we do need GNOME applications to provide a more complete > environment, and they do embrace GNOME principles. Come to think of it, the > Xfce developers have also kind of embraced the GNOME HIG. > > OK, it's late and I'm not sharp so I'm going to end this here :) > -- > Vincent > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > >
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