== 2011-06-13 Meeting Minutes == === Old Business ===
* Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU === Team updates === ==== Packaging & Development ==== * LightDM replaced GDM as the login manager * xarchiver replaced file-roller due to nautilus dependency with file-roller * leafpad replaced mousepad; mousepad needs a maintainer in Xfce. This will also allow Xubuntu to drop xfprint4, which is used only by mousepad. * mr_pouit created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup to track the current diffs with Debian. * we also added back the places plugin since it no longer uses hal * pavucontrol and pastebinit need to be added to the defaults * look at the possibility of adding midori as a second browser ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== * having a couple of people willing to test daily images (install, restart, update, restart, shutdown), we now have chart of daily testing to use. * https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CP282scF#gid=0 * Testing wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing ==== Website & Marketing ==== * emailed cody to see if he could update the current drupal site with knomes latest drupal revision which puts the new logo in * There is a current discussion on the xubuntu-devel mailing list * We will start a "promote Xubuntu" page on the website * It will be started by just putting the logos up * We welcome the addition of plantoschka to the team * plantoschka has been kind enough to offer to write news releases and blogs for Xubuntu * We also have a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing with general ideas * bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website and we're down to just 1, but please add more if you find them * "marketing" definition: * news releases, blogs, release parties, !OpenWeek, !DeveloperWeek, !UserDays * http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/six-months-of-rocking-ubuntu-events/ * Anything we can do to promote Xubuntu * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing ==== Artwork ==== * Our theme will be re-worked to fine tune it for Oneiric. Those running Oneiric will see the changes, or at least it did change. * Our artwork team [[ http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:greybird | goals]] * Ubuntu now has a theme engine so that one theme can work for both gtk3 and gtk2 ==== Documentation ==== * We need someone that can go through the wiki documentation and update it. === Announcements === * There is a really neat review of Xfce, which includes a few comments on Xubuntu * http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/456623-weekend-project-find-hidden-treasures-in-xfce-48 * We do have a support channel for spanish support, that is not included in the !es factoid. It is #xubuntu-es . * Alpha2 is due on July 7, testing will start on July 5 === Any Other Business === * Next meeting is in one week, June 19, #xubuntu-devel, at 22:00 UTC. * Meeting log and minutes are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-06-13 === Action items for the 2011-06-13 meeting === * No action items ==== Xubuntu Governance ==== * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at [[Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure]] <<BR>> <<BR>> == 2011-06-13 Meeting Log == * People Present: * charlie-tca * micahg * pleia2 * plantoschka The full logs can found in original form at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/13/%23xubuntu-devel.txt Started logging meeting in #xubuntu-devel [20:01] <charlie-tca> #STARTMEETING [20:01] <micahg> o/ [20:01] * micahg passes charlie-tca a chair [20:01] <charlie-tca> yes, I know we have no meeting bot, but at least using start and end lets a person seach the logs easily [20:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg [20:02] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting. The full agenda is always available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Old business - all [20:02] <charlie-tca> knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing - email discussion started on xubuntu-devel ML - DONE [20:02] <charlie-tca> Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Team updates - Team Leads [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development [20:02] <charlie-tca> Changes to the default applications [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing [20:02] <charlie-tca> Daily testing versus milestone testing [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing [20:02] <charlie-tca> There is a current discussion on the xubuntu-devel mailing list [20:02] <charlie-tca> * Artwork [20:03] <charlie-tca> * Documentation [20:03] <charlie-tca> * Announcements - Project Lead [20:03] <charlie-tca> TeamReports need to be updated [20:03] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports [20:03] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure - all [20:03] <charlie-tca> The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure [20:03] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business - all/anyone [20:03] <charlie-tca> Anyone involved with Xubuntu can update TeamReports, please do not wait for the Project Lead to do the updates. [20:03] <charlie-tca> whoa! that looks big [20:03] <pleia2> :) [20:03] <charlie-tca> Old business - all [20:03] <charlie-tca> knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing [20:04] <charlie-tca> We closed this because we did start the discussion on the Mailing List. It is not as active as I would like, however, it is a start! [20:04] <charlie-tca> Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU [20:04] <charlie-tca> I'm behind and getting farther behind. [20:05] <charlie-tca> Team updates - Team Leads [20:05] <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development [20:05] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: You make it, or micahg [20:06] <charlie-tca> The updates I have already are : [20:06] <charlie-tca> LightDM replaced GDM as the login manager [20:06] <charlie-tca> xarchiver replaced file-roller due to nautilus dependency with file-roller [20:06] <charlie-tca> leafpad replaced mousepad; mousepad needs a maintainer in Xfce. This will also allow Xubuntu to drop xfprint4, which is used only by mousepad. [20:06] <charlie-tca> micahg: your turn [20:06] <micahg> mr_pouit created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup to track the current diffs with Debian [20:07] <charlie-tca> Great idea! [20:07] <micahg> we have a few syncs waiting for the next sync run, it looks like we'll only have a handful of packages with a diff in ubuntu when we're done, some of the diff will be kept in Debian [20:08] <charlie-tca> Did we get pavucontrol and pastebinit added to the defaults? [20:08] <micahg> not yet [20:08] <charlie-tca> and, what about the possibility of shipping with two browsers? [20:08] <micahg> we also added back the places plugin since it no longer uses hal [20:08] <charlie-tca> Yay! [20:08] <charlie-tca> That's a nice gain [20:09] <micahg> we're still horribly oversized, we should work on that first before adding more IMHO [20:09] <charlie-tca> I agree. Ubuntu seems to be under now, we should be able to work our images down too [20:09] <micahg> yeah, well, we're inheriting some bloat still from Ubuntu (GTK3) [20:10] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the updates, micahg [20:10] <micahg> so, we'll see what happens after the next CD run [20:10] <charlie-tca> Any questions/comments for development? [20:10] <charlie-tca> Next topic then... [20:10] <charlie-tca> Bug Triage & Testing [20:10] <charlie-tca> Daily testing versus milestone testing [20:11] <charlie-tca> We have not gotten an image since the 10th of June. It is under investigation [20:12] <charlie-tca> However, having a couple of people willing to test daily images (install, restart, update, restart, shutdown), we now have chart of daily testing to use. [20:12] <charlie-tca> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CP282scF#gid=0 [20:12] <charlie-tca> If we are updating it, we will move it to the wiki [20:13] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, it becomes a nice flowchart for the testing people to try to use. [20:13] <charlie-tca> There are still a ton of issues with oneiric, too many to report all the bugs this early. [20:13] <charlie-tca> any questions for testing? [20:14] <charlie-tca> Next topic... [20:14] <charlie-tca> Website & Marketing [20:14] <charlie-tca> There is a current discussion on the xubuntu-devel mailing list [20:14] <charlie-tca> Anyone is welcome to add to the discussion. We really need someone to grab this and carry it on. [20:15] <pleia2> if someone has some ideas for content we can start creating the "promote xubuntu" page on the site [20:15] <pleia2> I can start by just putting the logos up if you want [20:15] <charlie-tca> And, in Marketing terms, we welcome the addition of plantoschka to the team. [20:15] <charlie-tca> pleia2: that would be great! [20:15] <pleia2> ok cool, I'll work on that then :) [20:16] <plantoschka> ;-) [20:16] <charlie-tca> We also have a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing with general ideas [20:16] <charlie-tca> plantoschka has been kind enough to offer to write news releases and blogs for Xubuntu. [20:16] <pleia2> great [20:17] <pleia2> for website stuff, I've been tackling bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website and we're down to just 1, but please add more if you find them [20:17] <pleia2> and we now have a test wordpress install up at xubuntu.princessleia.com (please don't spread this URL too far, the server has limited power :)) where knome is developing our wordpress theme [20:17] <charlie-tca> wOw! That's great. Let's stay on top, if you haven't visited http://xubuntu.org lately, it is time to visit it [20:18] <charlie-tca> all bugs against the website can be reported directly to launchpad or using ubuntu-bug xubuntu-website [20:18] <pleia2> I also emailed cody to see if he could update the current drupal site with knomes latest drupal revision which puts the new logo in, but I haven't heard back [20:19] <charlie-tca> and he isn't here today, either. [20:19] <charlie-tca> Shall we let plantoschka introduce himself? [20:19] <pleia2> yeah, I'm done :) [20:19] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: go ahead and tell us a little about you [20:20] <plantoschka> oh okay ;) [20:21] <charlie-tca> I know you said you have written a blog in german? [20:21] <plantoschka> i'm anton from germany 23 years old and atm studying computer science. i use and work with linux system since a couple of years and now using (and loving) xubuntu since a few months [20:21] <plantoschka> yes. http://www.plantoschka.com/ [20:22] <plantoschka> some posts are dedicated to xubuntu [20:22] <charlie-tca> I forgot to tell you I was going to have you introduce yourself today? [20:23] <plantoschka> yeah ;) [20:23] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu! We are happy to have help [20:23] <charlie-tca> Any questions on website and marketing? [20:23] <plantoschka> not right now [20:24] <charlie-tca> next topic... [20:24] <charlie-tca> Artwork [20:24] <charlie-tca> Our theme will be re-worked to fine tune it for Oneiric. Those with real sharp eyes running Oneiric will see the changes, or at least it did change. [20:26] <charlie-tca> Next topic... [20:26] <charlie-tca> Announcements [20:26] <charlie-tca> There is a really neat review of Xfce, which Xubuntu is based on [20:26] <charlie-tca> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/456623-weekend-project-find-hidden-treasures-in-xfce-48 [20:26] <plantoschka> is greybird going to support gtk3 apps? or does it already? [20:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi is planning to support gtk3, yes [20:27] <plantoschka> ok think itÄ [20:27] <charlie-tca> There are no themes yet for it, though [20:27] <plantoschka> it's important for oneiric [20:27] <plantoschka> or all the gtk3 apps look bad [20:27] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will stay in gtk2 for oneiric, since Xfce requires it [20:28] <charlie-tca> but, yeah, with the mix of them, we will have the theme updated for gtk3 [20:28] <plantoschka> yeah, but still some people are using nautilus or similar.. [20:28] <charlie-tca> heh, oh well... ;-) [20:28] <charlie-tca> software center will also be gtk3, and it is included by default [20:29] <micahg> xubuntu will be staying on gtk2 for oneiric+1 as well :) [20:29] <micahg> software center might not be ported to gtk3 [20:29] <micahg> ubuntu now has a theme engine so that one theme can work for both gtk3 and gtk2 [20:29] <plantoschka> please never remove the software center from xubuntu :-D [20:30] <charlie-tca> I never use it, myself. [20:30] <charlie-tca> however, let's press on here [20:30] <charlie-tca> next topic... [20:30] <charlie-tca> Announcements [20:30] <charlie-tca> TeamReports need to be updated [20:30] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports [20:31] <charlie-tca> If we keep the team reports updated as we go through the month, it is much easier than trying to remember everything we did at the end of the month [20:31] <charlie-tca> Anyone involved with Xubuntu can update TeamReports, please do not wait for the Project Lead to do the updates. [20:32] <charlie-tca> Questions? [20:32] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit : the sooner we can say yes or no to gtk3 the better it will be. [20:32] <charlie-tca> Any other business? [20:33] <charlie-tca> The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure [20:33] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, IMHO, if we need it (for shared components we can't replace), we take it, if not, not [20:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: do we need yelp? [20:34] <charlie-tca> yes [20:34] <micahg> ok, that's GTK3, issue solved :) [20:34] <charlie-tca> apparently, much of the xfce documentation is now read through yelp [20:34] <charlie-tca> or at least the answer is "yes, we need yelp" [20:35] <charlie-tca> so, we will have both, huh? [20:35] <micahg> yep [20:35] <charlie-tca> anything else??? Anyone??? [20:35] <charlie-tca> testing! [20:35] <micahg> better to take this hit this cycle than scrambling next cycle, we'll definitely need it next cycle [20:35] <micahg> at least for the shared stuff :) [20:36] <charlie-tca> I have a couple of people signed up for daily and milestone testing. But I am losing them faster than I can sign them up [20:36] <charlie-tca> Alpha2 is due on July 7. On July 5, we start milestone testing the candidate for Alpha2. THat is the involved tests. [20:37] <charlie-tca> Even as volunteers, once you tell us you will do something, we expect it to happen, please. [20:37] <charlie-tca> going.... [20:38] <charlie-tca> going 2 ..... [20:38] <pleia2> charlie-tca: a reminder to the -devel list on the 4th or 5th would be super helpful [20:38] <charlie-tca> Can do [20:38] <pleia2> thanks :) [20:38] <charlie-tca> no problem [20:38] <charlie-tca> Thanks for bringing that up [20:38] <charlie-tca> Next meeting will be Sunday June 19 at 22:00 UTC [20:39] <charlie-tca> and I will try to be here for it [20:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks to everyone for participating in the meeting. [20:39] <charlie-tca> #ENDMEETING -- Charlie Kravetz Xubuntu Project Lead Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- xubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
