Hello everyone, I don't know if it has been brought up before, but what do you think of shipping a webcam snapshot application such as Cheese?
Best regards, Adnan Hajdarevic On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send xubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of xubuntu-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Community meetings for the Raring cycle (Darshak Parikh) > 2. Re: [Bulk] Community meetings for the Raring cycle (Elfy) > 3. Re: Community meetings for the Raring cycle (Elizabeth Krumbach) > 4. Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 86, Issue 10 (Santiago Roland) > 5. Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 86, Issue 10 (Mike Holstein) > 6. A few words on Santiago Roland's suggestions (Darshak Parikh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:17:01 +0530 > From: Darshak Parikh <[email protected]> > To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Community meetings for the Raring cycle > Message-ID: > <CABP0G-3rFLdc0q1wT8bb2NKjqs6qHgBYo9yLFsMSCF=JKEw= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That'd be dinner time for me but I'll adjust and be there! :) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20121202/e06af856/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 20:58:37 +0000 > From: Elfy <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Community meetings for the Raring cycle > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 01/12/12 20:38, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > > Hello people, > > > > in the Quantal cycle, our community meetings used to take place on > > Wednesdays at 15UTC. > > > > While we did use some time to schedule a time that works the best for > > most, many times it looked like we didn't increase the amount of > > participants from the previous cycles much. > > > > Without going too deeply in the rescheduling... > > > > Are other weekdays better, the same or worse than Wednesdays? I'd like > > to propose Thursday at the same time, since that'd help us with the > > weekly reporting with the release team. Also, at least for me, Thursdays > > have been generally better than Wednesdays. We can shift the time, if > > other meetings overlap, but I think 15 UTC is a good starting point. > > > > Please reply to this mail and tell me what do you think of the proposal. > > Especially team leads (and Micah), speak up now. We need to be able to > > sit down and communicate. > > > > Cheers, > > Pasi > > > Thursday is good for me two weeks in the month, that said any day is > good for me two weeks in the month - so not going to make much > difference to me. > > Elfy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 13:12:37 -0800 > From: Elizabeth Krumbach <[email protected]> > To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Community meetings for the Raring cycle > Message-ID: > < > cabesou39a0mtuhdk2pazqzx2etkcgd24m_qqocm4ofkemdy...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'd like > > to propose Thursday at the same time, since that'd help us with the > > weekly reporting with the release team. Also, at least for me, Thursdays > > have been generally better than Wednesdays. We can shift the time, if > > other meetings overlap, but I think 15 UTC is a good starting point. > > That's fine with me. I'll set a special Thursday alarm to wake me up ;) > > -- > Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 > http://www.princessleia.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:28:27 -0200 > From: Santiago Roland <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 86, Issue 10 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A couple of things in my opinion that should be considered in future > Xubuntu releases > > 1) VLC as default video player. In my experience, it is the only video > player that never refused to reproduce a single video. The only time > it failed was because the file was corrupted. I mean, any operating > system must ship with a decent video player and Parole does not > fulfill that. Parole get sucked for several seconds with any video > MP4, AVI, etc and that is very annoying. > > 2) Libreoffice must be considered if decent compatibility is desired. > It is a complete office suite that cannot be compared to > abiword+gnumeric. Maybe there should be a minimal Xubuntu iso without > this things, but for the everyday life, this things must be out of the box > > 3) Xubuntu should ship with a decent light color theme, not a dark > one. It is demonstrated even with surveys that darker themes are > harder to read. I pointed to some links a while ago, that i think > nobody checked out. It's better for reading, it treats the eye pupil > dilatation better and that it's well known by website designers. Every > dark theme has applications that show very poor font contrast and even > icon contrast. XFCE used to come with light color theme by default, > and that should be restored again, maybe choosing theme could be > implemented during installation? Default white, and if you want to > your machine looks like FBI ones, change theme later. And the reason > is that the people that like to tune up themes is more likely to have > some skills the people that simply use the machine as is. > > 4) The Cairo-like toolbar should be avoided, is the intention to look > like macOS? XFCE looks already fine with only one toolbar, up or > down... cairo? leave that for people that want to tune up the appearence. > > 5) Music player should be Banshee by default, or some player that show > album art, maybe gmusicbrowser with a less complicated layout. maybe > emulate banshee layout with gmusicbrowser? > > 6) definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely need to improve GTK3 > support. The are NO themes that fully support GTK3? if i install apps, > like evolution for email or USC or update manager i cannot use > Clearlooks! it completely breaks the appearence for those apps. This > is very wrong. maybe we can blame GTK imposition, but there has to be > more supported GTK3 themes like Clearlooks and such. Not Adwaita, nor > other theme fix this, windows look very different if they are gtk2 or > gtk3. > > 7) what if Xubuntu ships larger that a CD? i installed Xubuntu in a P3 > 750 and i barely can navigate through webpages, the cpu is not enough > for web browsing. Leave that for the Xubuntu minimal version.... > Xubuntu should hit high and compete with other desktops environments, > it can and it is better in so many aspects. > > 8) Enable tabs in thunar, a decrypt file plugin, add the ability to > show "properties" for several selected folders and add the ability to > correctly eject usb pendrives because actually can no do that. > Otherwise nautilus is needed. Or, change to nautilus default, but this > is a bit insane and in this point i would use ubuntu then. > > Regards! > > > - -- > - - -- > Santiago Roland.- > - ------------------------------------ > Observatorio Astron?mico Los Molinos > IAU CODE 844 - Montevideo, Uruguay > OALM - DICYT - MEC > - ------------------------------------ > openPGP key: 04DF8076 > http://is.gd/jKuIhW > - ------------------------------------ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQunZ1AAoJEJ6hX3UE34B22K8P+wahwWhXewqJepPq0RSfmRcv > imHWAgg//vf2BTDf4dy/gvI5dFtsqW5w1C2u35KS5unwH4/det4iKsnyylEm5pSZ > kHEGV36nK8uaEfIkw8K7zq1mG/yhSjqRNe7C+NUyldpE6zbuelBoAjEsNvs8ua8b > OF4ru54I/cnPw8zvBtM+MXO37wEkvh8CXNeM57zCsdSi1llZGRL/yQQvtW/KKuna > VDEiD5HA/6YQdCnmNLlVmTgPMtX4eCsg4fXEznyPkqSfu39hQdhWLluqfrwn1uib > 8Sg6Zr8zWEhkU4QehslZ82lKJo9kuBEt+me72OP2oa9Y6xvHXp8qR0SqhTnXLh9a > sslBmPf32TDEpvKAyFhdp3AIpiTwgHQT2siXVHxkmV3xJFp2FFby7ei6wvMKV5x1 > Om5TocNV9rFHlPz7EAbCaysXhO8E+pSndqE4fpp/Y+OV2jA7b8vfmn6t9vVThkY0 > isPcDUVlumtynl8cYOY7sy+O6rYSPyrWrnTP53311PBF++Q9r3Q1funNV7Ggrbt0 > 8AoS/f4/tnWX4BgbGYTUW6GIBDBlDzJhc/NbL6vI/f6arfMFQYXKo1Z0WGaJ4pQb > ZdxN3b2srwKq98UN2XWjhy7WtTzEyBLxZRDiZMrI8CDVW4slwDTwI8uv6qUFAl/H > hOC4CFes8Iqk6We92Nss > =FALz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:45:01 -0500 > From: Mike Holstein <[email protected]> > To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: Re: xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 86, Issue 10 > Message-ID: > < > cadmglaws5m1+5qxldtbiyergurwdqgvvhz3vbpzrkun9lxc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Dec 1, 2012 4:29 PM, "Santiago Roland" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > A couple of things in my opinion that should be considered in future > > Xubuntu releases > > > > 1) VLC as default video player. In my experience, it is the only video > > player that never refused to reproduce a single video. The only time > > it failed was because the file was corrupted. I mean, any operating > > system must ship with a decent video player and Parole does not > > fulfill that. Parole get sucked for several seconds with any video > > MP4, AVI, etc and that is very annoying. > > > > 2) Libreoffice must be considered if decent compatibility is desired. > > It is a complete office suite that cannot be compared to > > abiword+gnumeric. Maybe there should be a minimal Xubuntu iso without > > this things, but for the everyday life, this things must be out of the > box > > > > 3) Xubuntu should ship with a decent light color theme, not a dark > > one. It is demonstrated even with surveys that darker themes are > > harder to read. I pointed to some links a while ago, that i think > > nobody checked out. It's better for reading, it treats the eye pupil > > dilatation better and that it's well known by website designers. Every > > dark theme has applications that show very poor font contrast and even > > icon contrast. XFCE used to come with light color theme by default, > > and that should be restored again, maybe choosing theme could be > > implemented during installation? Default white, and if you want to > > your machine looks like FBI ones, change theme later. And the reason > > is that the people that like to tune up themes is more likely to have > > some skills the people that simply use the machine as is. > > > > 4) The Cairo-like toolbar should be avoided, is the intention to look > > like macOS? XFCE looks already fine with only one toolbar, up or > > down... cairo? leave that for people that want to tune up the appearence. > > > > 5) Music player should be Banshee by default, or some player that show > > album art, maybe gmusicbrowser with a less complicated layout. maybe > > emulate banshee layout with gmusicbrowser? > > > > 6) definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely need to improve GTK3 > > support. The are NO themes that fully support GTK3? if i install apps, > > like evolution for email or USC or update manager i cannot use > > Clearlooks! it completely breaks the appearence for those apps. This > > is very wrong. maybe we can blame GTK imposition, but there has to be > > more supported GTK3 themes like Clearlooks and such. Not Adwaita, nor > > other theme fix this, windows look very different if they are gtk2 or > > gtk3. > > > > 7) what if Xubuntu ships larger that a CD? i installed Xubuntu in a P3 > > 750 and i barely can navigate through webpages, the cpu is not enough > > for web browsing. Leave that for the Xubuntu minimal version.... > > Xubuntu should hit high and compete with other desktops environments, > > it can and it is better in so many aspects. > > > > 8) Enable tabs in thunar, a decrypt file plugin, add the ability to > > show "properties" for several selected folders and add the ability to > > correctly eject usb pendrives because actually can no do that. > > Otherwise nautilus is needed. Or, change to nautilus default, but this > > is a bit insane and in this point i would use ubuntu then. > > > > Regards! > > 2 quick facts... > -vlc can't be included by default due to licensing > -the "cario like" dock is just an xfce panel and requires no extra packages > or overhead. > > holstein > > > > > > > - -- > > - - -- > > Santiago Roland.- > > - ------------------------------------ > > Observatorio Astron?mico Los Molinos > > IAU CODE 844 - Montevideo, Uruguay > > OALM - DICYT - MEC > > - ------------------------------------ > > openPGP key: 04DF8076 > > http://is.gd/jKuIhW > > - ------------------------------------ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQunZ1AAoJEJ6hX3UE34B22K8P+wahwWhXewqJepPq0RSfmRcv > > imHWAgg//vf2BTDf4dy/gvI5dFtsqW5w1C2u35KS5unwH4/det4iKsnyylEm5pSZ > > kHEGV36nK8uaEfIkw8K7zq1mG/yhSjqRNe7C+NUyldpE6zbuelBoAjEsNvs8ua8b > > OF4ru54I/cnPw8zvBtM+MXO37wEkvh8CXNeM57zCsdSi1llZGRL/yQQvtW/KKuna > > VDEiD5HA/6YQdCnmNLlVmTgPMtX4eCsg4fXEznyPkqSfu39hQdhWLluqfrwn1uib > > 8Sg6Zr8zWEhkU4QehslZ82lKJo9kuBEt+me72OP2oa9Y6xvHXp8qR0SqhTnXLh9a > > sslBmPf32TDEpvKAyFhdp3AIpiTwgHQT2siXVHxkmV3xJFp2FFby7ei6wvMKV5x1 > > Om5TocNV9rFHlPz7EAbCaysXhO8E+pSndqE4fpp/Y+OV2jA7b8vfmn6t9vVThkY0 > > isPcDUVlumtynl8cYOY7sy+O6rYSPyrWrnTP53311PBF++Q9r3Q1funNV7Ggrbt0 > > 8AoS/f4/tnWX4BgbGYTUW6GIBDBlDzJhc/NbL6vI/f6arfMFQYXKo1Z0WGaJ4pQb > > ZdxN3b2srwKq98UN2XWjhy7WtTzEyBLxZRDiZMrI8CDVW4slwDTwI8uv6qUFAl/H > > hOC4CFes8Iqk6We92Nss > > =FALz > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > -- > > xubuntu-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20121201/ac0fe373/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:53:12 +0530 > From: Darshak Parikh <[email protected]> > To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: A few words on Santiago Roland's suggestions > Message-ID: > <CABP0G-2EQeXDkfSVU1_twEMLqd= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Santiago, > > Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have something to say about it. > > It would be nice to have them, but VLC and LibO might not be possible to > add right now for them developers, as has been discussed earlier. > > Talking about the music player, I agree with you. Gmusicbrowser is light > but not as good as Banshee. However, Banshee has been designed for GNOME, > and might be tough to implement on Xubuntu. And Banshee doesn't fit the > definition of "lightweight". But of course, it would be nice if we could > have Audacious instead. What say, people? > > And lastly, the theme. Well, the default Xubuntu theme isn't that dark > really. I mean, the panels are dark, but the window manager and UI theme > Greybird, is anything but dark. Moreover, dark themes can look good too. > Look at the Holo theme on Android 4.x, it's the coolest theme ever. > > Regards, > Darshak > On Dec 2, 2012 2:59 AM, "Santiago Roland" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > A couple of things in my opinion that should be considered in future > > Xubuntu releases > > > > 1) VLC as default video player. In my experience, it is the only video > > player that never refused to reproduce a single video. The only time > > it failed was because the file was corrupted. I mean, any operating > > system must ship with a decent video player and Parole does not > > fulfill that. Parole get sucked for several seconds with any video > > MP4, AVI, etc and that is very annoying. > > > > 2) Libreoffice must be considered if decent compatibility is desired. > > It is a complete office suite that cannot be compared to > > abiword+gnumeric. Maybe there should be a minimal Xubuntu iso without > > this things, but for the everyday life, this things must be out of the > box > > > > 3) Xubuntu should ship with a decent light color theme, not a dark > > one. It is demonstrated even with surveys that darker themes are > > harder to read. I pointed to some links a while ago, that i think > > nobody checked out. It's better for reading, it treats the eye pupil > > dilatation better and that it's well known by website designers. Every > > dark theme has applications that show very poor font contrast and even > > icon contrast. XFCE used to come with light color theme by default, > > and that should be restored again, maybe choosing theme could be > > implemented during installation? Default white, and if you want to > > your machine looks like FBI ones, change theme later. And the reason > > is that the people that like to tune up themes is more likely to have > > some skills the people that simply use the machine as is. > > > > 4) The Cairo-like toolbar should be avoided, is the intention to look > > like macOS? XFCE looks already fine with only one toolbar, up or > > down... cairo? leave that for people that want to tune up the appearence. > > > > 5) Music player should be Banshee by default, or some player that show > > album art, maybe gmusicbrowser with a less complicated layout. maybe > > emulate banshee layout with gmusicbrowser? > > > > 6) definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely need to improve GTK3 > > support. The are NO themes that fully support GTK3? if i install apps, > > like evolution for email or USC or update manager i cannot use > > Clearlooks! it completely breaks the appearence for those apps. This > > is very wrong. maybe we can blame GTK imposition, but there has to be > > more supported GTK3 themes like Clearlooks and such. Not Adwaita, nor > > other theme fix this, windows look very different if they are gtk2 or > > gtk3. > > > > 7) what if Xubuntu ships larger that a CD? i installed Xubuntu in a P3 > > 750 and i barely can navigate through webpages, the cpu is not enough > > for web browsing. Leave that for the Xubuntu minimal version.... > > Xubuntu should hit high and compete with other desktops environments, > > it can and it is better in so many aspects. > > > > 8) Enable tabs in thunar, a decrypt file plugin, add the ability to > > show "properties" for several selected folders and add the ability to > > correctly eject usb pendrives because actually can no do that. > > Otherwise nautilus is needed. Or, change to nautilus default, but this > > is a bit insane and in this point i would use ubuntu then. > > > > Regards! > > > > > > - -- > > - - -- > > Santiago Roland.- > > - ------------------------------------ > > Observatorio Astron?mico Los Molinos > > IAU CODE 844 - Montevideo, Uruguay > > OALM - DICYT - MEC > > - ------------------------------------ > > openPGP key: 04DF8076 > > http://is.gd/jKuIhW > > - ------------------------------------ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQunZ1AAoJEJ6hX3UE34B22K8P+wahwWhXewqJepPq0RSfmRcv > > imHWAgg//vf2BTDf4dy/gvI5dFtsqW5w1C2u35KS5unwH4/det4iKsnyylEm5pSZ > > kHEGV36nK8uaEfIkw8K7zq1mG/yhSjqRNe7C+NUyldpE6zbuelBoAjEsNvs8ua8b > > OF4ru54I/cnPw8zvBtM+MXO37wEkvh8CXNeM57zCsdSi1llZGRL/yQQvtW/KKuna > > VDEiD5HA/6YQdCnmNLlVmTgPMtX4eCsg4fXEznyPkqSfu39hQdhWLluqfrwn1uib > > 8Sg6Zr8zWEhkU4QehslZ82lKJo9kuBEt+me72OP2oa9Y6xvHXp8qR0SqhTnXLh9a > > sslBmPf32TDEpvKAyFhdp3AIpiTwgHQT2siXVHxkmV3xJFp2FFby7ei6wvMKV5x1 > > Om5TocNV9rFHlPz7EAbCaysXhO8E+pSndqE4fpp/Y+OV2jA7b8vfmn6t9vVThkY0 > > isPcDUVlumtynl8cYOY7sy+O6rYSPyrWrnTP53311PBF++Q9r3Q1funNV7Ggrbt0 > > 8AoS/f4/tnWX4BgbGYTUW6GIBDBlDzJhc/NbL6vI/f6arfMFQYXKo1Z0WGaJ4pQb > > ZdxN3b2srwKq98UN2XWjhy7WtTzEyBLxZRDiZMrI8CDVW4slwDTwI8uv6qUFAl/H > > hOC4CFes8Iqk6We92Nss > > =FALz > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > -- > > xubuntu-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/attachments/20121202/202acb8c/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > > > End of xubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 87, Issue 3 > ******************************************** >
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