Joan, kernel for non-PAE microprocessors was dropped since 12.10, last ISO with non-PAE kernel support was 12.04, see the release notes http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ :)
2013/7/29 Joan Advincula <mj.advinc...@gmail.com> > By the way, I think we also need to clarify the CPU type and whatnot. > (There are still lots of things about CPU's that I don't understand.) > > I tried installing 13.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad and it wouldn't install > because the CPU is missing something, apparently. (It runs on and Intel > Pentium M 1600 MHz.) > > Something about pae. I'm still Googling that part though so this might be > irrelevant. > > - Joan > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM, PK <pliniusmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree with Ali Linx, that 512 MB RAM should be considered as a workable >> minimum for Xubuntu. If it gets lower than that, Lubuntu or even mini's >> like AntiX or Puppy Linux are much more suitable. >> >> In my opinion, the minimal system requirements should be aimed at a >> practical and workable system, not at a theoretical minimum that will, at >> best, cause an unbearably slow and sluggish system. Underpromise and >> overdeliver, that's what makes people happy.... Not the other way round. >> :-) >> >> I have no figures to back my statement, but I do have the experience of >> seven years of fulltime Linux use on many computers. >> >> Regards, Pjotr. >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Jeff Hanson <jephhan...@gmail.com> >> >>> Could you have actually opened the System Monitor to see how much ram >>> and how much swap was being used at the time, or did I miss something? I >>> just wouldn't like to assume that it is going over etc based on overall >>> performance, when it's easy to see how much is being used in real time and >>> from what apps. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) < >>> amjja...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Micah Gersten <mic...@ubuntu.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 07/16/2013 11:33 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> *Information:* >>>>> - Xubuntu 12.04.1.ISO >>>>> - LiveUSB Created by UNetbootin >>>>> - Installation on Real Hardware - http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11 >>>>> - RAM Used: 242MB - http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg >>>>> - Note that: LiveUSB is faster than LiveCD >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Test Case:* >>>>> >>>>> 1. Machine has two HDD1 and HDD2 >>>>> 2. HDD1 is Samsung 20GB IDE (Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy is installed on >>>>> the whole HDD). >>>>> 3. HHD2 is Segate 80GB IDE >>>>> 4. Booting the machine from the LiveUSB >>>>> 5. Choosing "Try Xubuntu without installation" >>>>> 6. Booted successfully to the Live Desktop >>>>> 7. http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg >>>>> 8. The Live Desktop was slow and I had to wait few seconds until >>>>> Right Click > Menu shows up. >>>>> 9. Ran GParted to turn SWAP OFF. >>>>> 10. Once SWAP is OFF, the machine became VERY SLOW. If I press >>>>> CAPS Lock, the LED on the Keyboards needs few mins to be ON. >>>>> 11. Obviously, because Physical RAM was already being used >>>>> (FULLY) - http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg - then once SWAP is >>>>> OFF, definitely the whole machine will stop responding and this is very >>>>> easy to re-produce (I'm expert to make old machine not usable and not >>>>> responding). >>>>> 12. Clicked on "Install Xubuntu" from the Desktop >>>>> 13. I waited for 30 mins and the machine is totally not responding >>>>> and the mouse pointer is stuck on the circle icon (when the system is >>>>> processing something, the pointer turns to be a circle - I'm sure you >>>>> know >>>>> what I mean). >>>>> 14. I had to reboot the machine. >>>>> 15. Repeated the same above steps - same result >>>>> 16. Even though the Live Desktop did not crash after 30mins of >>>>> waiting, the whole system/machine is not usable and not responding so >>>>> whether it crashes or not, same - you can not do anything and you must >>>>> reboot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Summary:* >>>>> Having all the above said, long story short, there is *NO WAY* to >>>>> 'Try' Xubuntu on 256MB of RAM nor 'Installing' it with 256MB of RAM. >>>>> Again, >>>>> see this: http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Suggestion:* >>>>> I think by far, it is very much safe to say that the *Minimum >>>>> RAM*required to Try Xubuntu and/or Install it is 512MB AT LEAST. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Please Note:* >>>>> You need to understand that having a pre-exist SWAP Partition is NOT >>>>> the default/standard case for all users. Users may have only one HDD. User >>>>> may have not installer another Linux System on a different or same HDD so >>>>> they do have SWAP. >>>>> >>>>> Also, please note that it is NOT advisable to ask from a new user to >>>>> create a SWAP Partition just to install Xubuntu on LESS than 512MB RAM. >>>>> This is not helpful at all, IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> Having that said, in order to do a real test with a worse case >>>>> scenario, you need to follow the steps I have done to get the same results >>>>> (SWAP OFF). >>>>> >>>>> *By the way ... if zRAM was enabled by default, I'm sure the results >>>>> would be different - just saying *:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *What Next?* >>>>> On the same machine, I am going to increase the RAM used by system by >>>>> entering BIOS and: http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg >>>>> >>>>> I will set it to 64MB so the RAM that will be used by the system >>>>> will be 432MB RAM. I know what you are thinking. There is 16MB any Linux >>>>> OS >>>>> I have tried on that machine can not read/detect that is why the usable >>>>> RAM >>>>> by the system is 432MB not 448MB. Yes, I will turn SWAP OFF as well. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, I have tried that and I did not work. >>>>> >>>>> I had to set the RAM to 464MB so that I can install Xubuntu 12.04 from >>>>> the LiveUSB while I'm on the Live Desktop (Try Xubuntu without >>>>> installation >>>>> > Live Desktop). >>>>> >>>>> and ... >>>>> >>>>> Installation is successful - Time:13mins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *After Installation Xubuntu 12.04* >>>>> >>>>> This is what I did after the installation: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. sudo nano /etc/fstab >>>>> 2. Removed SWAP entry >>>>> 3. Saved >>>>> 4. Rebooted >>>>> 5. sudo apt-get install zram-config >>>>> 6. http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg >>>>> >>>>> I'm currently upgrading my system: >>>>> >>>>> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >>>>> >>>>> Now, Xubuntu 12.04 installation has NO Physical SWAP Partition. >>>>> The SWAP that you see here: http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg >>>>> This is from zram-config >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam >>>>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *End of Test Report 1* >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for reading! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >>>>> *Best Regards,* >>>>> *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>* >>>>> *Start >>>>> Ubuntu<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu> >>>>> * >>>>> *My Own Business <http://alilinx.blogspot.com/>* >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that anyone says to run Xubuntu with 256MB RAM with >>>>> no swap partition. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have volunteered to do this test because the Minimum System >>>> Requirement on the Website is not correct IMHO and as Lyz said, no one has >>>> done such test for a long time so I guess it is good to have some data >>>> regarding this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Creating a swap partition is a part of the standard install IIRC. >>>>> Also, this can be a swap file and does not need to be a separate disk >>>>> (though I don't know if the installer handles this properly or not). >>>> >>>> >>>> NO one said swap should NOT be created. You misunderstood the whole >>>> point. >>>> SWAP partition will be created 'during' the installation process NOT >>>> 'before' it :) hope it is clear now and I guess my report is very much >>>> detailed unless I missed something that need further explanation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Having said that, I don't have an issue saying that the minimum to >>>>> run Xubuntu is 512MB at this point. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good. Because saying on the website 256MB is not correct :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Even at 512MB, swap will be needed, but I don't think that's a problem. >>>>> >>>>> Micah >>>>> >>>>> >>>> For me to disable swap and edit fstab is an extreme move to test how >>>> far I could go with my installation. That was an added step, ignore it >>>> please if this will cause any confusion. >>>> >>>> Summary: Because I have previous installed Linux with SWAP Partition, I >>>> had to disable it 'before' installing Xubuntu. >>>> >>>> Xubuntu Installer will create SWAP Partition DURING the installation >>>> process NOT before it ... unless of course ... someone will create his/her >>>> partitions 'before' the installation using GParted and choose 'Something >>>> Else' from this step: http://i40.tinypic.com/14jx9h4.jpg >>>> >>>> However, this is not the standard approach. New Users will not create >>>> their partitions 'before' the installation. >>>> >>>> Definitely, having a swap partition created 'before' installing Xubuntu >>>> will help, no doubt about it but this is not a general case. Only those who >>>> are experienced enough can do it. When you mention on the official website >>>> a minimum system requirement, you need to keep the very new users in mind >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Thank you for your feedback! >>>> and you are welcome :) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >>>> >>>> *Best Regards,* >>>> *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>* >>>> *Start >>>> Ubuntu<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu> >>>> * >>>> *My Own Business <http://alilinx.blogspot.com/>* >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> xubuntu-devel mailing list >>>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> xubuntu-devel mailing list >>> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> xubuntu-devel mailing list >> xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel >> >> > > > -- > Joan Advincula > Mozilla Rep, https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jadvincula/ > @iamMJae <http://twitter.com/iamMJae> | http://jauntyskipper.wordpress.com > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > > -- Bruno.-
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