On 31/07/14 08:14, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
On 2014-07-31 06:33, Micah Gersten wrote:
On 07/29/2014 07:10 AM, Simon Steinbeiß wrote:
Hey Xubuntu team members,
we started voting on a proposal for the default IRC client in today's
meeting[0].
In short, what we're voting on is whether to drop XChat for Xubuntu
14.10.
== Rationale ==
Those who need IRC can still use pidgin and this is a consistent move
in terms of streamlining our default applications (remember the
dropping of GThumb in 14.04).
This decision would be revisited for 15.04, so if we'd see the need, we
could re-add XChat (or hexchat).
== Voting ==
Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread – you can obviously also
explain why you voted one or the other way. So far, we have 4 votes
from team members for the proposal to drop XChat and 0 against (and 0
abstained).
Please note that ONLY XUBUNTU TEAM MEMBERS CAN VOTE. Other votes are
ignored, so please don't send a vote and waste bandwidth unless you are
an active member of the Xubuntu team [1].
== End of vote ==
This vote will expire in one week (June 6th, 10:00 UTC), so please send
in your votes in a timely manner.
Cheers
Simon
Xubuntu Project Lead
[0]
http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-07-29-10.30.log.txt
[1] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
-1 I used to use Pidgin's IRC support when I used the other chat
protocols supported in Pidgin. When XChat was to be added, IIRC, I
originally pushed that we could just use Pidgin for IRC. However, I
eventually switched to XChat as Pidgin's support for 20+ channels per
server was lacking. I've been using XChat for a while now and it seems
a very simple to use tool to access freenode amongst other servers. I
agree with others that have stated in this thread that since IRC is such
an integral part of the Ubuntu community, we'd be best served to keep an
easy to use client like XChat. If there is a simpler client that can be
integrated, I'd be open to that.
Thanks,
Micah
Is this argument based on solely on your own needs and wants or the
target audience of Xubuntu?
I'd argue that most of our target audience users do not wish to join
20+ channels (per server) at a time. On the other hand, those who do
know how to install their favorite IRC client from the repositories.
They might even prefer other options, like running screen and irssi on
a server. In both of these cases the default pick for an IRC client is
mostly irrelevant for them.
On another note for this discussion, some of the arguments against
have been in the spirit of "if we drop Xchat, it's too hard for new
people to join the IRC for a support question". How is running Xchat
and finding your way to #xubuntu easier than navigating to
http://xubuntu.org/irc/ (which is available in our installation
slideshow) and clicking connect?
Cheers,
Pasi
On the other hand the argument to remove xchat as opposed to swapping
hexchat for xchat appears to be based solely on
I guess people don't use xchat, and I don't use a gui irc client at all
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